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Ronin Storm
Tue 13 May 2008, 01:37
We all know the Rep system is broken. Oh yes, so very broken. A new user can't really affect anyone's Rep significantly and a Rep powerhouse like waterproofbob can instantly propel a new user to lofty heights. The system is rife with hyper-inflation. It's about time the Rep bubble burst. :)

Originally, the system was enabled to allow users to, after a fashion, moderate each other; a positive hit to say "hey, that's good, more of that" and a negative hit to say "that sucked, no more of that". Practically, though, a huge number of positive hits were handed out with comments that read "lol" and I get PMed for practically every negative hit handed out with a complain about how it wasn't justified. For this community, user-to-user moderation dunnae work, cap'n.

All this has been clear for months, but it's only recently that we've realised we can make a fairly simple change and the system can still be useful and even fun.

We've a three step plan. It goes something like this...

Step 1: Stop, Save, Rewind

With insane Rep comes insane Rep Power, leading to even more insane Rep. The system isn't worthless but it is mad. Time to cut our losses.

The Rep that people have is valid but needs archiving off to a separate box where it will forever stay for posterity.

So, we disable the system, archive off existing Rep to a special field, then we reset everyone's Rep to zero.

Step 2: Bring on the Cookies

Where ever possible, Rep is renamed to Cookies. Everyone loves cookies. The little balance icon that is used to give Rep is replaced by a cookie. The green pips are replaced by cookies. More cookies.

After the cookie conversion, the system is reconfigured so it can't run rampant again.

Specifically, everyone is allowed to give two and only two cookies per day to whoever they choose, even two to the same person. Imagine you've got two huge cookies, one for each hand. Each cookie is just one cookie. Maybe Admins or Mods might give more cookies out at a time (after all, he who controls the cookies control the universe) but we've not decided on that yet.

It doesn't matter how long you've been here, how many posts you've made or how many cookies have been given to you; you can only give two cookies per day. No cookie inflation. Just cookie acquisition. Mmm, cookies.

There are no negative cookies. Cookies are all good. Because they're all good, they automatically come in a little box with your name on it; yes, the person you give your cookie to will know that it was you.

Step 3: Have Cookies, Have Fun

Armed with your pair of cookies each day, you can spread the cookie love to whoever you feel deserves it on that day. I'd suggest you give your cookies out to causes you want to promote but I guess that'll regulate itself over time.

But we hope that people will have more fun with cookies and that they'll act as a little thank you that is easy to give, largely free of restrictions, just there to be appreciated and show your appreciation.


... then you're going to ask "so when is all this happening?" and I'll answer "right around the time we've got the boards running in a more complete configuration". Maybe in the next week? Probably next week, especially if I get some time off work then.

VibroAxe
Tue 13 May 2008, 02:28
I would like here and now to call shotgun on all chocolate chip cookies

BiG D
Tue 13 May 2008, 02:55
Furthermore, if I get any cookies with raisins in them, there will be blood.

thatbloke
Tue 13 May 2008, 08:48
I would like here and now to call shotgun on all chocolate chip cookies

Dammit.

I would heretofore like to claim all White Chocolate chip cookies.

Furthermore, if I get any cookies with raisins in them, there will be blood.

I also agree with this sentiment.

Cookalarcha
Tue 13 May 2008, 12:20
So your saying rep is now named after my nickname: Cookie..
Everyone will now have a piece of me now :p lol
Howd you come up with that anyways.

Ronin Storm
Tue 13 May 2008, 12:27
I think I credit the original inspiration to Macca, actually.

SgtFury
Tue 13 May 2008, 12:37
Actually looking I found a post by Pestcontrol about it.

http://games.thehavennet.org.uk/showthread.php?t=1792&highlight=cookie

Ronin Storm
Tue 13 May 2008, 13:12
Worth noting to general users that they can't view that thread and that's intentional. I did have a PM from Macca from about that date/time, though. Let's credit them both. :)

Traxata
Tue 13 May 2008, 15:29
Damn those moderator forums! :p

VibroAxe
Tue 13 May 2008, 17:08
NOOOOOOOOOOO All my beautiful horded rep.
MY PRECIOUS

but but but. I was hoarding. Hoarding I tell you. Also how can I make an inroad as an attempt to have all the cookies if you are setting up this system when I'm only checking the boards at Vibs' once every few days. I completely agree with the reasons behind this change and the change itself. However I also can't have cookies due to my lack of carbness. However lets assume I can horde cookies then I'd like all the delicious oatmeal and raisin cookies. As they are many forms of delicious and I make awesome ones.

All in all good call Ronin et al. But can I have lots of cookies please.

Ronin Storm
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 02:52
You know what they say... better late than never. For "week" maybe one should read "year". ;)

Cookies have just gone live. Obvious changes:


Instead of a little weighing scales button, there's now a cookie.
Pretty much everywhere you see should refer to cookies instead of reputation.
You can see the last 10 people who gave you cookies, including their username and any comments (in your User CP).
You can also see the last 10 people you gave cookies to.
The little green blobs are gone, to be replaced by a short, amusing, cookie-oriented phrase, except in your user profile where changing that is providing to be a bit of a git.
You now have a Reputation field in your profile, where your previous Reputation score is saved for posterity.


Cookies for all! Enjoy!

DocBot
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 08:17
Ooh! Do I have any cookies?

edit: yay! I have a cookie!

edit 2: Well done. Have a cookie.

elDiablo
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 08:42
Cookie love for all!

Wol
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 09:27
:-o

that ... is .... awesome! THERE ARE COOKIES!!!!!

sooo...many....cookies..... omnomnomnom. </heavy>

wol approves muchly.

thatbloke
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 09:36
I would like here and now to call shotgun on all chocolate chip cookies

Dammit.

I would heretofore like to claim all White Chocolate chip cookies.

Furthermore, if I get any cookies with raisins in them, there will be blood.

I also agree with this sentiment.

I would like to re-iterate my previous statement on this matter when it was originally broached

Bradstreet
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 11:02
Now every time I check the havennet I'm going to get hungry. Why are there no cookies in our house? Why??

Ronin Storm
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 11:15
Oops, I hadn't set all the permissions correctly. That'll teach me for doing this insanely late. Permissions should now be correct. Specifically:


No one can give negative cookies
Everyone can see who gave cookies to them

Xarlaxas
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 13:35
Mmmm, cookies, there better be some sugar cookies or cookies with butterscotch! ^.^

VibroAxe
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 13:42
Chocolate cookies!!!!!

Traxata
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:05
Oops, I hadn't set all the permissions correctly. That'll teach me for doing this insanely late. Permissions should now be correct. Specifically:


No one can give negative cookies
Everyone can see who gave cookies to them

For anyone wondering what Ronin means by insanely late, It was finished at about 3 am :p

KillCrazy
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:07
Oh my god. We are all going to get severely obese.

Xarlaxas
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:11
Not me! I can't seem to gain weight. T_T

waterproofbob
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:11
Hazzaa for the new cookie type things.

Although I will miss my obscene rep.

Gd job Ronin.

Traxata
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:16
Not me! I can't seem to gain weight. T_T
Another one? I'm glad it's not just me, I'm always eating various forms of crap and never gain a pound...

Ronin Storm
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:18
Hazzaa for the new cookie type things.

Although I will miss my obscene rep.

Gd job Ronin.

You still have a record of your obscene Rep. Only slightly less obscene than mine, too. ;)

Nanor
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:19
Trax and Xarl are bastards! I eat a piece of popcorn and explode.

Cookies for all. Awesome, awesome, awesome! :D

BiG D
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 14:29
Trax and Xarl are bastards! I eat a piece of popcorn and explode.
You're doing it wrong! No snack foods! Tofu and veggies for you, young man!


...I can hook you up with some vegetarians if you want :rolleyes:

Nanor
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 16:43
...I can hook you up with some vegetarians if you want :rolleyes:

Hahahaha! Nice. :p

Xarlaxas
Fri 13 Feb 2009, 16:59
Trax and Xarl are bastards! I eat a piece of popcorn and explode.

Cookies for all. Awesome, awesome, awesome! :D

Hehehe, well, this is why I'm taking up a diet of burgers and pizza and then going to the gym to burn it all into muscle, at least that's my plan....