Foar moar prograsshunz

[Klown]

Eya! I had a look at the post about wotlk, and that it's being released nov. 13th, meaning we can really feel Arthas breathing down our necks. I know there has been some different posts on this topic earlier, but I'm posting again, slap me if you have to. I also now that this may not be doable for some reasons, it's just my thoughts. So, I want to progress. Alot. I'd really like to get a bit into MH atleast, and counting the 2 months left to the realease, that's 8 weeks, meaning we have 16 days of progression raiding left. What if we should convert, say, the wednesday gruul/maggy raids into progression raids also? Or even both the sun. and wed. raids. With one more weekday for progression raids we should have 24 days instead of 16. Another thought is that we set our sights on one boss, say Leotheras, and just go shazam on him until he's dead, move to next boss and do the same until we can't get further, at that point we could backtrack a boss or two, farm them for 1 or 2 more days, then move on again, instead of farming the bosses we have already killed. In my opinion it doesn't really matter if we only kill the bosses once, we have still killed the boss, we've seen the fight, and we're ready for the next one. If one boss would prove too hard we could try another one, even if it's considered harder, we might have just been unlucky on the supposedly easier boss. These are a few ways we could increase our rate of progression, and I would not mind trying them.
And as I said, I know this might not be doable (I know ppl might not be able to do progg raids on weekdays due to work and such) but I think it could be worth a shot.

Over and out.
Klown.

 

[Angelic]

I'm in. I don't like SSC, so I'd like to down Kael and see how things are in MH and possibly BT. I know, I know, we don't have the gear, but hell, it's not like we're gonna get it before WotLK anyway and like this we might get lucky. Or our imbah skillzorz will wtfpwn the bosses. Or I don't know. Something like that...

 

[Haven]

You've seen how people respond to repeated wipes on SSC/TK. Either their response to wipes changes or it will not be at all fun to try MH/BT.

 

[SwampFae]

I have no issues with SSC/TK, to be honest.
So we whipe a bit. Muh. It is all in the learning process. Those who make mistakes will learn. Life goes on. We pwn our way through. Some whipes can also just be unlucky, such as freak accidents happening.
I've heard a lot of negativity before regarding the whipes on Prince in Kara. We made it through in the end though. And now it's easy as pie.
So my opinion is as follows: Less QQ, more pew pew.
We'll make it through SSC and TK in due time and we have many possibilities.
Last weekend was a bit cursed all-in-all. It's in the past. We stand up. Try again.
After all. The Haven shouldn't be known to give up on something*winks*
We shall be victorious!
</my-two-cents>

 

[Nero3]

To be honest I would love to pay MH a visit, the first boss is.., well Nexus have downed him and they cant get Maggy or Gruul, i have heard So guys if we do it as an event go to firsts bosses in MH even BT its just to say we have been there and heck knows might even get them down

 

[Windzarko]

You've seen how people respond to repeated wipes on SSC/TK. Either their response to wipes changes or it will not be at all fun to try MH/BT.

It was a bit tense at first that last Friday, aye, but when you and one or two others started encouraging more calm (you deserve a shiny medal for the way you said it that night, to be honest), it got quite a bit better, and whilst one or two people got quite stressed about the further wipes, most people seemed a bit more relaxed and "oh well, try again" about it.

So long as we don't let it affect performance negatively, the "oh well, try again" feeling is the best one to take; you'll feel better when the boss is downed, it won't get you too wound up when we fail an attempt, and it just makes the encounter more enjoyable. Have a laugh, have some fun, and don't get angry and point fingers so much; finger-pointing by the majority of the raid does nothing for the mood of the whole, and even less for the person being blamed. Mistakes are made, and so long as we learn from them and go on, all is fine.

We WILL get further in the coming weeks, we WILL be in Hyjal before too long, but it'll all be so much better and easier if we seriously go by that one word that has become mantra to some of us, thanks to Zooggy:

Zen!

 

[Juba]

I have to agree if we want to progress before wrath we need to make an effort to get more 25 mans going. Having said this I know the main problem appears to be having tanks / healers.

As to wipes.....well from my pov wipes happen and personally I both expect them to happen and dont get upset by them. However I have to agree that there is often far too much negativity and finger pointing when there is a wipe. We are meant to be a friendly guild please lets all try and be constructive. I can fully enjoy an evening where we do nothing but wipe as long as the mood remains light. It is the negativity and blaming that ruins an otherwise enjoyable evening and its not just the people who are having fingers pointed at them that its ruined for but all the rest having to listen to the bickering and shouting.

 

[T-Bone]

Well, here's my opinion here. AFAIC right now we have the skill to kill Kael but it will take a long time before we do it as we need everyone to know the fight inside out. I intend to take the entire week of 25 man raiding when I go back to Uni (w/b 29/09) to destroy the other three bosses and spend the rest of the week wiping on him and possibly killing him, who knows. Until then we will continue to flog the dead horse in SSC until it twitches and gives us phat lewt. Last week's attempt was nothing short of appalling, even worse was certain peoples reaction to it. I struggles to lead the rad for a bit because of it and that's never happened to me before. We all knew how to do the boss, we'd done him before, it was just stupid mistakes and bad luck over and over and we can learn from this and it will make us more resilient to this sort of thing happening in future. It's hard to imagine a Friday night raid going worse, is it?

So that plan now is for the next two weeks, all progression raiding will be SSC, sorry for those who don't like it. Every week we will be killing Hydros and then lurker and then moving on to the rest of the instance. There will be no bypassing bosses as we don't need to and we've done it before. After they are dead the general plan is Morogim, Karathres and then Leo. Vashj, I'm leaving on a back burner for now.

Once at least two of these bosses have died we will be going back into MH. We have proven already we have what it takes to get to and kill Winterchill and we will do him without much problem.

That being said my suggestions to you all is to go to WoWWiki or BossKillers or whatever sight you use and read all of the SSC fights except Vashj and know them. This is the best way to secure our progression.

-- Tuldur

 

[decky101]

Hey guys, great to see you making some fine progress. My 2 cents on your raiding situation: In all honesty, a lot of guilds skip Vashj and Kael as they are considered much too difficult for their level of raiding (Many considering them to be even more difficult than Illy and, even, KJ) My guild personally skipped Kael as they wanted to explore some different raids and see what progress they could make. At this point I quit WoW to do study for my GCSEs, but they went in and in two weeks, and very little effort, killed 4 bosses in MH. The point I'm trying to make is this: Skip Kael, get lady down, and go for MH and BT. MH is very very nice when you first try it what with the NPC interaction etc. it really makes for a very cohesive and nice raid. Once you've got like 5/6 SSC and 3/4 TK on farm, do so for a few more weeks and make attempts at Kael and/or Vashj when you have a chance, then start MH and then perhaps, BT. The first few bosses in MH and BT you will probably find surprisingly easy in comparison to Vashj/Kael, but my personal opinion is Kael isn't worth the hassle, he is very very difficult and although his loot is nice, it is much easier to skip and go for MH/BT.

Cheers, Decky.

 

[Zaggu]

I can only say that Zaggorn will have a proper T5-worthy tank kit complete if the pants drop this thursday, which will boost my avoidance to my current target (especially since I am nearing 28K armor unbuffed), thus allowing me to focus on more stam as I upgrade the gear running such contents.

Are we ready for T6 yet? I don't know, but our morale MUST be high, since learning an encounter revolves around focus, knowing what to do, and the wipes that are more than normal to happen till everything is working perfectly. It's part of the process and, to be honest, it's darn funny at times!

 

[Windzarko]

T-bone's plan is the most sound one, imo, but we're going with that plan irrespective of what people think is the "best" order to take Kael/Vashj/start of MH in.

 

[Huung]

Kael is the guild breaker. Hardest boss in BC. Fact. The Tiers overlap each other, you dont have to "finish" T5 to progress to T6.

MH trash will also get you some Hearts of Darkness, and some decent epic drops, as well as crafting recipes which you can use the hearts for.

 

[Windzarko]

I was under the impression that Vashj was the guild breaker?

 

[Huung]

They're both shit, but Kael is waaaaay way harder. Much harder than any T6 fight, apart from maybe Archi and Illy.

 

[kspr]

personally i think both vasjh and kael are shit in the beginning but once you tried it a couple of times and learn the fights they are actualy quite easy i know with Bloodlust we did vasjh on our second day of trying and kael on the third.
but to be honest im not sure they are worth it since the first bosses of MH and BT are way easier and give better loot. but im up for anything

 

[Razaak]

Kael is a harder fight to learn, but once you know it you should kill hiim every time. Vashj is more unpredictable, not totally random like Prince Malc and his bloody abyssals, but far more scope for wipes due to unavoidable stuff happening.

I'd happily ignore Vashj completely, but I'd like to see Kael down, and I think we're capable of it when we have our best people all available at once.

 

[Klown]

Personally I wouldn't mind skipping Kael and Vashj, I wouldnt mind doing them either. Now, you seem to have gotten me a bit wrong on some points here, what I said in my first post is alla bout BUYING TIME (or rather, making time) and SPEEDING UP. I'm going to be a bit more concrete now and say:

Converting another raid day into progression day. Can/should/will we do it? Yes/no?

 

[thatbloke]

Personally I wouldn't mind skipping Kael and Vashj, I wouldnt mind doing them either. Now, you seem to have gotten me a bit wrong on some points here, what I said in my first post is alla bout BUYING TIME (or rather, making time) and SPEEDING UP. I'm going to be a bit more concrete now and say:

Converting another raid day into progression day. Can/should/will we do it? Yes/no?

the problem with that is whether or not we will have the people?

The past couple of weeks, as far as I am aware we have only ever had a full 25-man progrssion raid on the Friday. Not enough people for it on any other day...

 

[Klown]

the problem with that is whether or not we will have the people?

I'd say this calls for a poll, but I won't do that, cos whatever the outcome would be, I still don't have the authority to make any changes, it is completely up to the officers to decide if it's even worth trying or not. (The fact that I have no whatsoever idea of how to make a poll has nothing at all to do with it)

 

[Windzarko]

Monday-Thursday are pretty much out, since too many of our Tier 5-ready people are absent then. Friday we do because people are around, Saturday we try to do in a similar manner but fewer people have been attending those ones recently. Sunday is tricky for many people. Unless we invent a new day, I thiiiiink we're going to have to stick with Fri-Sat progression raids.