[Tech] It's getting hot in here...

Nanor

Well-Known Member
So Nanor needs some way to cool down his peripherals.

As some of you are aware my graphics card recently bit the dust and I'm all but certain heat was the culprit. I'm looking for a way to keep my bits and pieces cool without going as far as watercooling. I'm a complete novice when it comes to this neck of the woods but I was thinking of a super fan or maybe some heatsinks?

I'd like them to be compatible with a 4870 and a Q8200 processor.



I can't believe I'm going to betray nVidia. :(
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
I find that the 4870 seems to prefer running at high temperatures (normally around 77 degrees if I leave the fan on auto) and the fact that it is this high in turn makes the rest of the inside of my case rather warm so I just manually ramp up the fan in the driver options and everything is fine (if a little noisy).
 

waterproofbob

Junior Administrator
I find that the 4870 seems to prefer running at high temperatures (normally around 77 degrees if I leave the fan on auto) and the fact that it is this high in turn makes the rest of the inside of my case rather warm so I just manually ramp up the fan in the driver options and everything is fine (if a little noisy).

You shouldn't need to.

By biggest point would be unlike the crap cooler on the 8800GT Ati's stock coolers will come in and do their job if they need to. They use a little more power as a result but I'd say it is worth it. There is also very little benefit to pumping the GPU fan up, it shouldn't be running that hot, the fact that it is makes me think that the rest of the cooling in your case is inefficient or not doing it's job correctly.

If you were to go to water cooling extents you'd need a new case a new at least and a spare £250+ to do it well. Good Air is better than mediocre and ok water. So don't even consider it.

Good air cooling comes down to a few basic principles. The first is case layout. You need a good airflow, if you look at any modern cases the thing they push more than anything is the airflow and the way the case is laid out. Ideally you want to separate component areas so that you can remove heat in certain areas allowing you control how the air is moving.
Now assuming you are keeping your beige monstrosity this isn't very helpful but I thought while making the post it'd be useful to write it all up for you.

The next thing is picking the right fans and fan direction. You could spend £60 on a decent CPU heatsink but if there is no airflow in and out then it is largely redundant. The heatsink while just circulate hot air. At a guess with your case you'll probably have an exhaust at the back and possibly one inlet in the front, whether or not there is a fan there is a different matter.
My advice would be to get a couple of decent case fans one as an in and one as an exhaust. Then also get a non stock CPU cooler.

Another important thing to look at is dust and to ensure that the case is a clear and clean as it can be. A build up of dust in CPU coolers or GPU coolers especially in small scale coolers can cause DEATH to components. As well as keeping everything clean/clear is also important get some bog standard cable ties and keep your case as clear as you can.

A few other things for general cooling magic. Good mobos will have the ability to control CPU and other case fans automagically. It can also be worth getting a fan controller if you have more fans or a better case that allows you more flexibility with your fan layouts/fan speeds.



Right I meant to add a section on things I'd suggest and then forgot to do so. As Haven has said below. For CPU coolers good thermal paste is a must. You are more than likely to have 120mm or 92mm fan mountings. As Haven says big and slow is better than small and fast. 120mm are a good size however and there are some very good low noise/good throughput fans. Sharkoon, Scythe and Noctua are all good fans, for good throughput good RPM and not too loud.

I'd not bother with a GPU fan replacement, the stock coolers should be fine as long as you don't OC it and the rest of the case cooling is good.

CPU cooler wise for a cheap but not stock alternative the arctic cooling freezer 7 at ~£15 are very good for the money.

Otherwise for a fair bit more the larger scale coolers such as the Noctuas, the tuniq towers and the thermalrights are very good but not worth the money if you are leaving components at stock speeds.
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
Basic principles of air cooling (my own principles at least):

Big slow fans better than small fast ones. Copper based heatsinks better than anything else you're likely to get your hands on. Silver based thermal compound on the heatsink is also essential (replace your existing gloop if its not).

You can find Cooler kits for most graphics cards out there (I use overclockers.co.uk but there are other places as well). Just stick to the above rules and all should be well.

Remember also that an air cooling system can only cool as low as the ambient temperature its working in i.e. cable tidy and ensure good airflow (positive pressure i.e. more incoming fans than outgoing) in your system case to keep its temp down.
 

Iron_fist

Super Moderator
Staff member
i'll throw a little more into the pot and say the nexus 120mm are awesome fans. big and silent when running under 75%, as for heatsinks i have a Xigmatec one that works really well and has a horizontal fan for top a exhaust, if a vertical fan is needed (rear exhaust) then the Scythe mine works very well (and last time i looked was about £19)
 

PsiSoldier

Well-Known Member
(positive pressure i.e. more incoming fans than outgoing) in your system case to keep its temp down.

Can I ask why this is? Is it because higher pressure makes the heat transfer to the air easier/faster? (I have no incoming fans, only the single outgoing one)
 

Nanor

Well-Known Member
Do you think getting rid of the beige monstrosity and replacing it would be a good idea? Anyone got any ideas on a good case? Light cases would be best so it causes less hassle when going to the iSeries.
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
Can I ask why this is? Is it because higher pressure makes the heat transfer to the air easier/faster? (I have no incoming fans, only the single outgoing one)

Air is your cooling medium, the more volume you shift the better and the higher the density the better. If you create a negative pressure environment then there's less coolant effectively.
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
Nanor, thought we were talking about cooling graphics cards?

For a CPU cooler follow the rules I mentioned :) i.e. go for copper and a big (120mm) fan.
 

Tetsuo_Shima

In Cryo Sleep
Yeah, I think the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 is the one I currently use for my CPU, and I had the AMD S939 version before that. Works extremely well, my CPU hardly gets above 25 degrees under load, and that's with it overclocked slightly (courtesy of sir bobert of waterproof).

As for cases, I'm not sure about light, but my Antec 900 keeps everything very well ventilated. Bob would argue it looks like Sarah Jessica Parker after being attacked by a rusty trowel, but I'd say it looks ... not objectionable :p I see there's a 900-2 out now, couldn't say as to whether that was any good or not.
 

Nanor

Well-Known Member
Somewhat pricey... How about This one?

I notice it says 2 ports for 120MM fans but only one included. What other one would I need to get for maximum coolage? This confuses me greatly.
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
Somewhat pricey... How about This one?

I notice it says 2 ports for 120MM fans but only one included. What other one would I need to get for maximum coolage? This confuses me greatly.

you'd need another 120mm fan :p

Also I have one of those coolers on my Q9550 and I have no problems with it at all :)
 

PsiSoldier

Well-Known Member
What about getting an extended ATX case. Room to expand in and more room for you to stick fans everywhere! :D
 

Traxata

Junior Administrator
He has to put it on a plane to bring it to the i-series.

Bigger cases = SO MUCH MORE WEIGHT
 

Nanor

Well-Known Member
Rightio. I've sorted out the components.

Motherboard: I'm not changing the motherboard, but I currently have a Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L.
Graphics Card: I'm going for a ATI 1GB 4870.
Processor: I'm going for an e8200.
CPU Fan: Woosh!
Case: A... black one with a 360MM fan and space for 2 120MM fans which I am going to put two of these in to.
RAM: I am debating whether to get more RAM but according to the specification page of my motherboard you can't mix and match as you please. Can anyone recommend me some RAMs?

Anything else it would be worth my while buying?
 

PsiSoldier

Well-Known Member
RAM: I am debating whether to get more RAM but according to the specification page of my motherboard you can't mix and match as you please. Can anyone recommend me some RAMs?


2x1GB
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/2GB-...-8500-(1066)-240-Pin-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-5

2x2GB
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/4GB-...)-240-Pin-Non-ECC-Unbuffered-CAS-5-6-6-18-EPP

Getting 2 of the 2x1GB kits would be best, but it'd be double the price of 2x2 for marginal performance boost.

EDIT: That motherboard is limited to 4GB as well, so 2 of the 2x2GB kits would be useless before you ask :p
 
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