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MadGinga

In Cryo Sleep
Hi guys,

I need some help. I'm looking to upgrade my PC in the near future.

The main items i'm looking at replacing are my motherboard and cpu. My only constraint is that I need a motherboard that supports AGP 8x.

If I deem it necessary them I'll replace my HDD and ram too, but only if the mobo i choose doesnt support my versions. (my RAM, isuspect is crappy ddr, and my hdd connect with IDE, good god!)


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Ronin Storm

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Hmm, I've had a lot of success with MSI motherboards using the nForce2 chipset where, a couple of years back, I was having no end of trouble with Abit motherboards using the VIA chipset.

I'm still on AGP so I feel your pain. The motherboard I have listed in my profile has been really good (see that new profile field pimpage? ;) ).

Unfortunately, my very quick stab at finding an MSI mobo with AGP failed. Everyone appears to be selling PCIe now...
 

MadGinga

In Cryo Sleep
Right, will someone tell me whats wrong with an AGP graphics card and specifically a Geforce 7800 GS OC overclocked with 256MB GDDR3 RAM???
 

MadGinga

In Cryo Sleep
If thats it, by the time i get arround to updating my computer after this, PCI-E will be out of date.
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
I just can't afford to upgrade my computer. I did the maths and it's cheaper to buy me and Rojaws a HD-TV and Xbox 360 each than it is to upgrade two PCs.
 

pHatBambi

In Cryo Sleep
AGP is old tech PCI-E is the new tech. Go for a PCI-E mobo if you want to be better futureproof.
 

BiG D

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Staff member
AGP has lots of overhead as well; a PCI-e card will perform better than its AGP counterpart. That being said, if you already have the AGP card, I dunno... The next time you decide to upgrade your video, you'll need another new mb, basically.
 

DeZmond

Junior Administrator
Interesting... I used an abit motherboard based on the VIA KT400 chipset for over two years and never had any problems with it - perhaps luck of the manufacturing draw?

My advice, MadGinga, would be to get a newer motherboard with a new processor socket but ONLY if it's second hand - I did this recently with an AMD 939 board but it has AGP - I reckon I'll keep the motherboard for the next year or so and then I could get a newer PCI-E 939 board which will be dirt cheap at that point in time. (also a little out of date, but since I'll then get the faster 939 processor at that point since my needs are not that demanding, it's a moot point)
 

Pestcontrol

In Cryo Sleep
Via chipsets aren't bad in any way (they used to have issues long ago), but for the Athlon XP nvidia is simply better.


AGP is end-of-life. AGP cards are still being released now and then with very powerful chips and i don't think that for gaming it is even that much slower, but it makes very little sense to invest in a technology that is already a legacy. They're also more expensive and hard to obtain compared to a similarly performing PCI-E card.

PCI-Express has the benefit of being a universal and scalable technology, thus cheaper to implement, it has more bandwidth, it is more flexible, and it can supply more power. For instance things like SLI or using your GPU as a coprocessor are (almost) impossible to do over AGP.

I strongly suggest you consider offering your current graphics card up for sale on Ebay or whatever and getting a pci-express model with a pci-express mobo. For the rest it's a matter of comparing prices and reviews, but the Intel Core2 series holds the undisputed performance and overclocking crown, though AMD is still competetive in price/performance. This also means you will have to upgrade your memory to DDR-2 and if you have more two IDE devices you may have to get some ide-sata converters as modern Intel boards have only one IDE port.

Its just a bit of a difficult time for easy upgrades ATM.

I do see a cheaper alternative, you can upgrade to older hardware. An old fashioned Athlon 64 in a motherboard with Socket 939, an AGP slot and DDR memory. That'll be cheap, especially if you get second hand kit, you can reuse graphics and memory, you can even get dual core i believe, but you won't have a future upgrade path.

For motherboards, i prefer Asus as they've never let me down, but these days MSI and Abit are good also, as well as other brands. Read reviews before you buy!
 
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