Northern 'Rock'

Taffy

New Member
Whilst I'm glad that Northern Rock still keeps people in employment, I am absolutely furious that it has been nationalised. Why is Northern Rock seen as such a cornerstone of our fledgling economy? What do you think should have been done about it?

My initial thoughts: Northern Rock was nationalised not because it is a key part of our economy (it was a poorly-managed high street bank, much smaller than RBS, HSBC, NatWest etc.), but because it was Northern Rock. Out of all the constituencies in North-East England, Labour holds all but two of them. This is their heartland. I believe that the sole reason for the nationalisation of Northern Rock is to keep their voters. Essentially, they are playing politics with at least £20 billion of Taxpayer's money, in a time of economic recession, with other areas of the national budget screaming for much-needed money (Defence springs to mind in particular).

Let's weigh up the positives and negatives of the nationalisation: On the plus side, lots of people in Newcastle still have a job, a large part of the north-eastern economy is kept (for now) intact, and... um... there must be something else... no, nothing I can think of. On the negative side, every taxpayer in the country has been forced to buy a piece of poorly-run, poorly-financed, doomed company that they just didn't want. The State now has the costly burden of trying to turn it into a profitable company. If they manage to do that, they then have to find a mug willing enough to buy it. Not only this, but they have to make it a profitable venture.

The thing is, we all know how badly British Government is at running business. Take British Coal, British Steel and British Leyland. I remember reading somewhere that, at one point, Leyland was running at a £1,000,000 loss a day. I dread to think how those at 'The Rock' are going to cope. But more importantly, I dread to think what else Mr Darling is planning to do with my taxes (I'm pretending I pay taxes for the purpose of this debate :D)

Personally, I think 'The Rock' should have been left to sink. We are meant to be a free-market economy. Surely failing businesses should be left to go down, then new business can move into the gap in the market.

However, I think this shows a general trend. One where Labour constantly pays out money to areas that vote Labour. Scotland and Wales, both Labour strongholds, now have their own Parliament, and every area of England, bar the South (and the South-East in particular) sees increased Government investment. This North-South divide is worrying. For the North, it is worrying because as the economy continues to slow, the South will have less money to pay out, thus making the North poorer. For the South, it is worrying because they have the burden of effectively propping up the rest of the nation.

What if the area of England stretching from Kent to Cornwall and north to, say Cambridge, were to follow the trend set by Kosovo and become independent? This new nation would be one of the richest in the world, and the rest of Britain would completely collapse.
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
This is the best way to safeguard the taxpayers money that had already been ploughed into the bank to keep it afloat so that all the people with savings, etc. did not lose any money.

The need to do this was caused by the initial guarantee that the Chancellor made, saying that should it go bust, he will guarantee all of the money.

It is because of that that I see nationalisation as the best way to ensure that (eventually) all of the money that has been spent on the bank goes back into the Treasury.

I also agree strongly with your last statement. I am beginning to become completely fed up with subsidising Scotland and Wales's governments, who are able to vote themselves various subsidies and perks that we English are not able to recieve and yet still foot most of the bill for. How the HELL is that fair??? But that is a debate for another thread...

Back to the Rock, nationalisation is (in my opinion) the best way out of the hole that they had already dug themselves into with it. If they hadn't dug themselves into that hole, they would not have needed to nationalise it.
 

Taffy

New Member
Thats why the words 'Labour' and 'incompetent' occur together more and more frequently. Darling panicked, guaranteed everyone's money, then just kept on digging.

Disgraceful mismanagement of our money. Pure and simple.
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
Thats why the words 'Labour' and 'incompetent' occur together more and more frequently. Darling panicked, guaranteed everyone's money, then just kept on digging.

Disgraceful mismanagement of our money. Pure and simple.

I agree. I also agree that the bank should never have been nationalised.

But in the situation they had gotten themselves into since it started, it is the best way to guarantee our money comes back.

Lesser of two evils I think applies here...
 

Taffy

New Member
Lesser of two evils I think applies here...

That, my friend, would be David Cameron :D

I agree. Nationalisation was the lesser of two evils. My issue is with the fact that the Government needlessly created the situation by sheer idiocy.
 

DeZmond

Junior Administrator
Personally, I think 'The Rock' should have been left to sink. We are meant to be a free-market economy. Surely failing businesses should be left to go down, then new business can move into the gap in the market.

Ah. Yeah... you can't do that with a bank. While I don't deny that it's a business like any other, the scale (even as a "small" bank) of disaster that would ensue from it collapsing would then affect other banks and the economy as a whole.

Not only that, but the taxpayer would still be paying a hell of a lot anyway - the government guarantees that money up to £30,000 will be recoverable by the customer in the event that a bank does collapse.

Of course, the other, and indeed important reason from a government perspective, is that the collapse of the bank would expose this totally crooked and swindling industry for what it is, causing nothing less than full-scale anarchy. (Can you imagine what would happen if every single person in the UK was to withdraw all of their money from every bank? It's a government's worst nightmare, and there isn't a single person in the UK who wouldn't be directly affected.

Anyway, at least this way things can continue on as they are, the government can finance ill-thought out "security" measures such as ID cards and DNA databases, so they can tag us all like sheep and watch over us to ensure we all play nice.
 
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