Patch 4.1 is live!

Huung

Huung

Well-Known Member
Was tempted to return for:

  • Swipe (Bear) cooldown has been reduced to 3 seconds, down from 6, and is now on trainable at level 18 (training cost has been reduced). In addition, the bonus threat from this ability has been removed and replaced with increased damage done.
  • Savage Defense has been redesigned slightly. Instead of a single charge absorption, it now places an absorption effect on the druid absorbing up to 35% of the druid's attack power (modified by mastery, if applicable) in damage and lasting 10 seconds. There are no longer any charges on the effect.

But then saw:

  • Earth Shield healing done by Restoration shaman has been reduced by 20%.
  • Spirit Link Totem (new talent) reduces damage taken by all party and raid members within 10 yards by 10%. This lasts 6 seconds, and every second it is active the health of all affected players is redistributed among them, such that each player ends up with the same percentage of their maximum health. This counts as an Air totem and has a 3-minute cooldown.

Spirit Link Totem is possibly the worst thing I've ever heard of. So many fights want the tanks to be topped off more so than the DPS, all this does is cause issues. I can see it being super tweaked very soon.
 
magosreborn

magosreborn

New Member
Saw:

# Efflorescence has been redesigned. It creates a healing zone at the feet of a Swiftmend target, but this healing zone now restores health equal to 4/8/12% of the amount healed by Swiftmend to the three most injured targets within 8 yards, every 1 second for 7 seconds. This periodic effect now also benefits from spell haste, but the individual ticks cannot be critical effects. In addition, Living Seed is no longer a prerequisite talent for Efflorescence.

# Malfurion's Gift now reduces the cooldown of Tranquility by 2.5/5 minutes.

# Nature's Swiftness now also increases the healing done by the affected nature spell by 50%.

Just DAMN they are some nice changes.
 
Huung

Huung

Well-Known Member
Belfa said:
Huung whats wrong with the haven?
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If I came back, I'd want to get my money's worth out of it, and actually see all of the raiding content. Afaik, there haven't been any more bosses downed by the guild since a large number of us left, and I wouldn't want to come back only to beat my head against the same brick wall which caused me to leave in the first place.

The people I miss the most aren't playing any more (with some exceptions, obviously) so I wouldn't even be coming back for the social aspect. I'd always hoped the raiding would be taken more seriously, but I personally feel The Haven has gone very much in the opposite direction since the "hardcore" lot left - the guild in its current state just no longer appeals to me, I'm afraid.
 
Xylak

Xylak

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Huung said:
If I came back, I'd want to get my money's worth out of it, and actually see all of the raiding content. Afaik, there haven't been any more bosses downed by the guild since a large number of us left, and I wouldn't want to come back only to beat my head against the same brick wall which caused me to leave in the first place.

The people I miss the most aren't playing any more (with some exceptions, obviously) so I wouldn't even be coming back for the social aspect. I'd always hoped the raiding would be taken more seriously, but I personally feel The Haven has gone very much in the opposite direction since the "hardcore" lot left - the guild in its current state just no longer appeals to me, I'm afraid.
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Well, I think it should be pointed out that there's been no new bosses down because we've struggled to get a good guild group together recently due to the sheer lack of numbers. The Haven lost a large number of raiders, most of which were the most experienced and amongst the best geared. This hurt raiding badly but we're starting to pick up the pieces

We HAVE managed to get some runs going and even though you couldn't call it "progressive" we have had some fun - and that's got to be the main point of it all.

Some raiders are returning and things are looking up. Last night (Thursday) we had a guild run and after a shaky start did a few bosses in BWD and it felt like were were getting it together more. We have got a few new Trial Raiders too and some of them are showing good raiding potential as players and characters.

We'd all like to see more content and do more raiding but that can't happen if we don't have the numbers. Fortunately this is picking up again and there's no reason we can't be doing more raids and getting deeper in - and, dare I say, getting that final boss kill in.

As for taking it seriously, I'd like to think that we DO take it seriously but we're not a "hardcore" group (a-la Aftermath) as we don't take the same approach and I don't think we should. A more casual and fun feel is exactly what made me want to stay in The Haven and why I'm still here. The way it felt when raiding DID start again early this year WAS of a more "serious" tone and it all fell apart within two months. We haven't gone in the "opposite direction" since the exodus, more simply trying to recover - I don't think you realise how difficult it was for those of us that were left.

If you don't like the people you're playing with then fair enough, there's not a lot we can do about that but, you know, hang around a bit more and you never know who you might meet ;)

We WILL be doing more raiding. We WILL be getting more progressive. We WILL see more content. Haven raiding is still alive and prodding buttock!
 
Skcornnelg

Skcornnelg

Member
Xylak said:
We haven't gone in the "opposite direction" since the exodus, more simply trying to recover - I don't think you realise how difficult it was for those of us that were left.
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QFT.

Personally I thought last night was great fun, 1-shotted Omnitron, perfected my kiting skillz and added another boss to my own progression list.
I think things will come around for us again and I would like to thank a few members for really trying keep the raiding alive as best they can, particularly you Xylak because no matter how good or bad a boss encounter or a raiding night goes you always see the positive side which I do think helps the morale of raiders particularly when things are not going our way.

Anyway, back on topic. 4.1 is awesome :P
 
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Belfa

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Huung said:
If I came back, I'd want to get my money's worth out of it, and actually see all of the raiding content. Afaik, there haven't been any more bosses downed by the guild since a large number of us left, and I wouldn't want to come back only to beat my head against the same brick wall which caused me to leave in the first place.

The people I miss the most aren't playing any more (with some exceptions, obviously) so I wouldn't even be coming back for the social aspect. I'd always hoped the raiding would be taken more seriously, but I personally feel The Haven has gone very much in the opposite direction since the "hardcore" lot left - the guild in its current state just no longer appeals to me, I'm afraid.
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No disrespect but you and a lot of the others left so how can you just expect the haven to get back to top end raiding you know? .

They might come back ... I understand that the game is boring sometimes but raiding is fun and if we get the numbers back no doubt it will pick up again.

There was a big arguement in the summer over whether to go Hardcore or stay 50%-50% and a majority picked stay the way we are.

Dont get me wrong im not trying to start an argument here. but I hope you do find time to come back and even then return to the haven.

Cheers.
 
Dr Drae

Dr Drae

In Cryo Sleep
I imagine another reason is that exam time etc is coming around, so some of our people are doing coursework, exams, such as myself. We are quite capable of progressing, it's just having the numbers to do so.

And tbf Belfer, there was no debate as to whether we go hardcore. Unless things have changed drastically in the past couple of weeks, The Haven has never been and will never be a hardcore raiding guild, for which I am appreciative.
 
Huung

Huung

Well-Known Member
There was never any talk of The Haven going hardcore. It won't, and IMO, shouldn't. The very reason so many people return is the relaxed atmosphere and lack of pressure.

Don't get me wrong guys, I appreciate that those who left were basically the ones who had been running most of the content, and therefore you almost had to start from scratch. I'm in no way trying to put you down on what you've achieved, or claim you haven't gone at it 110% as you all do.

When I say the raiding wasn't taken seriously enough, I mean pre-Cata tbh. The Cata style was far more how we were back in the glory days of TBC, and I really did enjoy it. With the lapse of WotLK we really had to go for the "do or die" approach in Cata, as people were already reluctant to come back to what felt like the same old grind. In the end, although the content was new, the game still felt stale, and rather than fall out with a game we'd loved for years, we called it and went off to try and get fulfilment elsewhere.

Maybe "opposite direction" was a tad too strong, I'll admit I was wrong on that. What I meant by it is the strongly disciplined approach we took at the start of Cata has now been (afaik) dropped, and the raiding is being taken as more of a fun "if we get something down that's cool, if not then no big deal". Whilst I agree raiding should be fun, I found it most fun when I felt like I was being pushed to do my utmost, and really struggling to get those kills in there every week. I just tend not to flourish when I'm not under pressure, and I know some others who left are also these type of people.

Once again, in no way am I putting any of you down for anything which has happened since the exodus. Within the scope of gaming, the vast majority of my best memories have been things I did with The Haven, and I have nothing but respect for its members, past and present.


On topic: Rogues moving faster IN STEALTH than out?! MADNESS! :D
 
Chuchurocket

Chuchurocket

In Cryo Sleep
It will end those ridiculously annoying scenarios of being inches out of range of a sap for a few secs then they end up seeing you and dropping you out. Watched a Rogue Rogue Mage team on youtube, health bars dropping faster than the good ol days :p
 
Huung

Huung

Well-Known Member
Moving at full speed in stealth... I guess I can accept that, that's like ninjas or something.... but FASTER?

In any area you can't mount, you're better off in stealth! It just seems less sneaky, more OMGWTFSPEEDHAXX :p
 
Chuchurocket

Chuchurocket

In Cryo Sleep
Buffed for those who dont take the improved recuperate, but no change for those who do. In pvp youd want to take that talent so overall it did nothing, just troll non-rogues :P (This is old knowledge from last time i looked at patch notes, may have changed since)
 
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