Priest builds

[Zooggy]

Helloes,

So I got into a raid, recently. Was nice to get back in the saddle and all, but I got puzzled by the numbers I was putting out.

Bear in mind that I was still sligthly undergeared. (340 at the time.)

In my Discipline build, I was routinely putting out well over 13k HApS (that's Heals and Absorbs per Second). This is well in excess of the 8k to 9k the other healers were squeezing out.

In my Holy build, I couldn't even reach 6k.

So here are my questions:

What am I doing wrong in Holy?

Is Discipline horribly overpowered at the moment?

Cheers,
J.

 

[Elincia]

Hmm, I checked our specs and glyphs and I do not see major differences...
As I was hitting 9K+ on my priest I think you might be using the wrong spells?????? Or holy has been nerfed to death...

So what spells have you been using and which chakra?

 

[Zooggy]

Hey,

So what spells have you been using and which chakra?

The basic rotation is flash-flash-PoH-CoH, intersperserd whenever needed with PoM and various Renews on people who get under 50%. If someone is taking a lot of damage, I'll use Greater instead of PoH.

As for the chakra, I'll use Serenity or Sanctuary, depending on whether it's more convenient to focus on an area or on a single person.

Cheers,
J.

 

[Huung]

You've also got to remember it's very fight dependent these days. It's also highly dependent on who the other healers are, and the synergy your heals have with theirs.
If you have a lot of bubbles on people in disc, and it's a fight where you can guarantee people will be taking constant amounts of damage, there's a high chance your bubble will be used, and you won't 'overabsorb'.

It's the same reason the druids tend to be very high on healing meters - they get in the top ups from their HoTs whereas other healers would have to do it via direct heals.

 

[Zooggy]

Hoy,

Well, if the difference were, like, 1~2k, I could chalk it off to that, but, as it is, it's too much.

Also, it's a huge deal when I'm three times more effective as Disc than as Holy. It's just wrong...

Cheers,
J.

 

[thatbloke]

silly question, and I'm not actually playing anymore, but were people closer to dying/dying more often when you were holy? could be a problem with the way whatever meter people are using works...

 

[Zooggy]

Hey,

were people closer to dying/dying more often when you were holy?

Yes. We wiped a lot quicker.

Cheers,
J.

 

[Windzarko]

Could be a playstyle adaption thing; remember that Discipline has a higher element of "fire and forget", especially in that you can pre-emptively protect someone from damage, and as soon as there are multiple targets shielded when AoE damage is going on (even minor damage that you'd normally not go out of your way to heal up), the numbers will drastically inflate.

It could also be a simple matter of practice or somesuch. I don't think Discipine is ragingly overpowered at the moment or anything, although I do notice that they're going to be buffing Holy (mostly how Chakra works, and that seems to be more of an ease-of-play and convenience thing than a major empowerment).

 

[Peepee]

Helloes,

So I got into a raid, recently. Was nice to get back in the saddle and all, but I got puzzled by the numbers I was putting out.

Bear in mind that I was still sligthly undergeared. (340 at the time.)

In my Discipline build, I was routinely putting out well over 13k HApS (that's Heals and Absorbs per Second). This is well in excess of the 8k to 9k the other healers were squeezing out.

In my Holy build, I couldn't even reach 6k.

So here are my questions:

What am I doing wrong in Holy?

Is Discipline horribly overpowered at the moment?

Cheers,
J.

Your just playing holy tbh xD

Dont just be disc

And with regards to putting out more than the others thats kinda standard and like I said last night Zoogy stop questoning it or they will NERF us! And trust me in the beguining of Cata playing disc was like a crazyoption it was painfully horrible.

 

[Peepee]

Hoy,

Well, if the difference were, like, 1~2k, I could chalk it off to that, but, as it is, it's too much.

Also, it's a huge deal when I'm three times more effective as Disc than as Holy. It's just wrong...

Cheers,
J.

When Huung myself and Delaney were healing in a raid together, Delaney was far higher on the healing than Huung and I where as we sat at about the same.

 

[Skcornnelg]

Sup,

I was one of the other healers Zooggy mentioned.
While I know you are only looking for how, as Disc, you were putting out more HPS than Holy but in my defense for being below you on that fight, it is a high mobility encounter where I dont have many efficient heals I can cast while moving and my 2 AoE heals are very dependent on my proximity to everyone else.

Anyway what I am trying to get at is that you should try a few different encounters first before you judge how well one spec is against the other or in comparison to other healers.

Hmmm...hope you get what im trying to say.

Glenn

 

[Zooggy]

Hoy,

in the beguining of Cata playing disc was like a crazyoption it was painfully horrible.

So what changed? I don't recall seeing any patch notes boosting anything particularly significant...

my defense for being below you on that fight

Dude. No. You need no defense, your numbers were very solid, and so were Koji's. I was just finding mine grossly inadequate and was looking for what I was doing or reading wrong.

Anyway, I'm going to go with what Lith said, in that it's just that Disc is peculiarly suited to my playstyle. Also, I guess, yeah, I'll withold further judgement until I see more encounters. Maybe that encounter was also particularly suited to Disc. So, could be, Omnotron Defense System + Zooggy's playstyle + Discipline is a dream combo or something...

Thanks for everyone's input.

Cheers,
J.

 

[Skcornnelg]

Hoy,

Omnotron Defense System + Zooggy's playstyle + Discipline

Nerf!

 

[Elincia]

The basic rotation is flash-flash-PoH-CoH, intersperserd whenever needed with PoM and various Renews on people who get under 50%. If someone is taking a lot of damage, I'll use Greater instead of PoH.

As for the chakra, I'll use Serenity or Sanctuary, depending on whether it's more convenient to focus on an area or on a single person.

Cheers,
J.

I mostly used heal and the heal version of chakra, unless the fight had a lot of AoE damage going around. ( Magmaw for example)

Flash heal was something I only used when stuff went really bad.... ( I used flash + flash + greater in that case)

I think you had a lot of mana problems????? If that is the case, that might explain your low healing???

 

[Peepee]

Hoy,



So what changed? I don't recall seeing any patch notes boosting anything particularly significant...



.

Cant remember but they did change some stuff although as to what your asking the wrong person. Jim might know as i remember him telling me they were going to change. All I remember is one week im struggling the next not so much

 

[Huung]

Robots are a naff fight for paladins and shammies, as there is very little we can do on the move, and everyone is almost always spread out, so our AoE healing is rather ineffective.

The buff PP is referring to is the one where disc got boosted through the roof, so much so they then got a minor nerf in the next patch
I believe it was with 4.0.6: "The mana cost of Power Word: Shield has been increased by approximately 31% but its effect has been increased by 208%."
So yeah, that buff

 

[Peepee]

Pretty much Phil that was it !

 

[Zooggy]

Hey,

"The mana cost of Power Word: Shield has been increased by approximately 31% but its effect has been increased by 208%."
So yeah, that buff

Ok, fair enough. That would have brought my totals down to possibly just over 11k, which is still a lot, but is at least a bit more in line with what everyone else was doing, especially considering that Disc has very high mobility.

Hardly a painfully horrible crazy option, tbh , but at least now I know what you're talking about.

I think you had a lot of mana problems????? If that is the case, that might explain your low healing???

To be honest, yes, my mana was going down fast, but no, it doesn't explain anything. We wiped way before I ran out.

Which basically means if I used Heal more, then I would have had even more mana when we wiped, at a cost of even less HpS...

Incidentally, I use Heal a lot as Disc, not as a healing spell, but as a means to shorten the duration of Weakened Soul, and thus, expedite my next PW on the tank.

Cheers,
J.

 

[Elincia]

To be honest, yes, my mana was going down fast, but no, it doesn't explain anything. We wiped way before I ran out.

Ok, I am out of suggestions :O Srry I couldn't be more helpfull

 

[Bradley]

Maybe the difference not lay in one person, but in people not interrupting things and letting certain mobs get to players. Those two things, outside of major healer control could have been to people dying quickly, and I know the variance of success on that fight believe me. And I wouldn't question Peepee, Discipline, although I haven't played disc priest, was woeful at the start of cata when you weren't here, so she is right. Disc priests weren't good.