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Chuchurocket
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Fun to watch mind-readers for entertainment value, but when you move to the cold psychic readings end of things it starts to leave a sour taste in my mouth. Its unsettling watching a psychic exploit the grief of someone for tv shows etc. Some may argue that it gives the people on the show a sense of closure, but its a false sense of closure.
My inital response: http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/6341/South-Park-Clips-Psychic-Mind-Battles/
My inital response: http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/6341/South-Park-Clips-Psychic-Mind-Battles/
Huung
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Fun to watch mind-readers for entertainment value, but when you move to the cold psychic readings end of things it starts to leave a sour taste in my mouth. Its unsettling watching a psychic exploit the grief of someone for tv shows etc. Some may argue that it gives the people on the show a sense of closure, but its a false sense of closure.
My inital response: http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/6341/South-Park-Clips-Psychic-Mind-Battles/
This is exactly what came to mind
Hoy,
This is a non-issue. It's as "false" as the one people get from going to a funeral, yet no one questions whether any particular priest is a "fraud" or not, because, frankly, that's not the point.
Ultimately, people believe whatever the hell they want to believe. Me, I'm fervently agnostic, but I'm also deeply jealous of the folks that have a solid spiritual core stemming from faith. I think I would be a much healtier person if I had one.
To bring this back to the topic at hand, no, I don't think you can build a solid spiritual core around whatever drivel these so-called "psychics" dish out. However, people participate in these shows because they want to, and I'm not one to debase their motives. I suppose one could do worse than to use a psychic as a tool with which to explore one's own grief and thus better come to terms with it, for instance.
As far as the entertainment value is concerned, I don't go for "reality" crap, so it largely passes me by. But again, people watch these shows because they want to, and it's mostly harmless anyway. Watching, say, the news, everyday, is a lot more poisonous to people's minds, and it's a lot less questioned by the general populace. (The content of the news is questioned endlessly, though. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out why that is self-defeating.)
Cheers,
J.
This is a non-issue. It's as "false" as the one people get from going to a funeral, yet no one questions whether any particular priest is a "fraud" or not, because, frankly, that's not the point.
Ultimately, people believe whatever the hell they want to believe. Me, I'm fervently agnostic, but I'm also deeply jealous of the folks that have a solid spiritual core stemming from faith. I think I would be a much healtier person if I had one.
To bring this back to the topic at hand, no, I don't think you can build a solid spiritual core around whatever drivel these so-called "psychics" dish out. However, people participate in these shows because they want to, and I'm not one to debase their motives. I suppose one could do worse than to use a psychic as a tool with which to explore one's own grief and thus better come to terms with it, for instance.
As far as the entertainment value is concerned, I don't go for "reality" crap, so it largely passes me by. But again, people watch these shows because they want to, and it's mostly harmless anyway. Watching, say, the news, everyday, is a lot more poisonous to people's minds, and it's a lot less questioned by the general populace. (The content of the news is questioned endlessly, though. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out why that is self-defeating.)
Cheers,
J.
Chuchurocket
In Cryo Sleep
Hoy,
This is a non-issue. It's as "false" as the one people get from going to a funeral, yet no one questions whether any particular priest is a "fraud" or not, because, frankly, that's not the point.
Cheers,
J.
The difference is the priest believes in the religion, whereas a cold-reader relies on the effects of generalised statements and other techniques in order to affect a reaction from their audience/ target. My point is not one directed at religions, its directed at psychics who use cold reading and palm it off as genuine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xswt8B8-UTM (First couple of minutes talk about what im trying to get at.)
My comment on psychics for entertainment value are people such as Derren Brown, Criss Angel (to a certain extent) etc who use the artform as an entertainment.
Hi,
I've pondered on this for a bit, and I've come to the conclusion that you're right. If the service provider (priest, psychic, whatever) does not believe in the exact same thing as their client, it's basically fraud.
However, what, then, would you say about a "psychic" that actually believes what they're doing, even though it's all readily explainable in terms of cold reading and other techniques?
That would basically be as close to the "genuine real deal" as you could get, I suppose.
Cheers,
J.
I've pondered on this for a bit, and I've come to the conclusion that you're right. If the service provider (priest, psychic, whatever) does not believe in the exact same thing as their client, it's basically fraud.
However, what, then, would you say about a "psychic" that actually believes what they're doing, even though it's all readily explainable in terms of cold reading and other techniques?
That would basically be as close to the "genuine real deal" as you could get, I suppose.
Cheers,
J.
Chuchurocket
In Cryo Sleep
Thats the problem though, a lot fervently say they believe in what they do even though they may only be saying that to keep their job rather than actually believe it. So then you dont know who believes they are genuinely psychic and who are the "tricksters."
Hey,
True. But, if you look hard enough, I'm sure that's applicable to priests as well...
Cheers,
J.
True. But, if you look hard enough, I'm sure that's applicable to priests as well...
Cheers,
J.
Wol
In Cryo Sleep
"These people arent plying a skill. They're either lying, or mentally ill. Same goes for people who claim to hear Gods demands, or spiritual healers who think theyve got magic hands.
By the way:
Why do we think it's okay for people to pretend they can talk to the dead? Isn't that totally ****ed in the head? Lying to some crying woman whose child has died and telling her you're in touch with the other side. I think thats fundamentally sick. Do we need to clarify here that there's no such thing as a psychic? What are we? ****ing two?"
By the way:
Why do we think it's okay for people to pretend they can talk to the dead? Isn't that totally ****ed in the head? Lying to some crying woman whose child has died and telling her you're in touch with the other side. I think thats fundamentally sick. Do we need to clarify here that there's no such thing as a psychic? What are we? ****ing two?"
Wol
In Cryo Sleep
Wol
In Cryo Sleep
Ah, Thought I had put the youtube link along with the quote originally as I was copying it down from the youtube link! My bad.
As Wraith correctly says, 'tis from Tim Minchins 9 minute jazz backed beat poem: Storm. Definitely worth a listen IMO