Signing up for Raids.

[T-Bone]

OK, let me make this short, sweet and simple.

ALL RAIDERS MUST SIGN UP FOR EVERY RAID!

I say this for not two weeks ago we had around 20 for every raid now we have about 8. If you can't come that's fine, sign up as no. Starting on Monday anyone ranked raider or above who does not sign up will receive a loot rool penalty and reduced priority for attending raids. Razaak puts all the events up at least a week before they happen so there really is no excuse.

Anyone who is still not comfortable/confident with the sign up system here is where you say it. This new rule will come into force starting with next Friday's raid.

 

[Silk]

OK, let me make this short, sweet and simple.
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Loes,

I might be going more daft than I already am, but can't you just assume not signing up = "no"?

I'm sorry if my personal absence has affected this, but I don't want to commit to always being able to get to the forum to select "no" mainly due to the fact I have a terrible memory.

Therefore.. if it makes life easier for you guys just demote me or something. I'm not leaving wow, but I am trying other stuff right now.

 

[Zhar]

Loes,

I might be going more daft than I already am, but can't you just assume not signing up = "no"?

I'm sorry if my personal absence has affected this, but I don't want to commit to always being able to get to the forum to select "no" mainly due to the fact I have a terrible memory.

Therefore.. if it makes life easier for you guys just demote me or something. I'm not leaving wow, but I am trying other stuff right now.

Don't do drugs, 'mkay?

 

[Windzarko]

I might be going more daft than I already am, but can't you just assume not signing up = "no"?

Nope, because we need to know that they aren't coming. We need people to say for sure that they are not coming so we know how exactly we'll stand on numbers on the night. It takes seconds for someone to come to the forums and sign up as a no, so there isn't really much of an excuse for not doing so.

 

[Zooggy]

Ahey,

can't you just assume not signing up = "no"?

Not really, for two reasons:

1) It makes it a bitch to plan stuff...

2) There's people that don't sign up then show up, and then, there's general moanage and /g spamming of "have the raid invites started yet?"...

In any case, these forums, and THN in general, are an important part of this guild's identity. It really is a case of "there's more to the game than just the game". If you can't log in to the forums once a week, something obscure is going on...

Cheers,
J.

 

[Silk]

It turns a game into a chore when there are things you "have" to do :/

Honestly if people don't sign up.. and then if there isn't room they can't come, pure and simple. Could even change guild rules to say as much.

It does take seconds to click a few buttons yes, but there are times people forget, or can't find the time to come online at all.

What you really need is everyone who IS coming to say yes; that's how you get an accurate count of numbers. People saying no, or not signing up, shouldn't really be relevant.

I'll attempt to report my attendance from now on but if you want my honest opinion it's a ballache and there will be occasions I forget.. for one thing I'm in a long distance relationship so quite often spend weekends or even weeks completely offline. For another I work 45 hours a week in a place that has a strict ban on personal internet sites.

 

[SwampFae]

It turns a game into a chore when there are things you "have" to do :/

Honestly if people don't sign up.. and then if there isn't room they can't come, pure and simple. Could even change guild rules to say as much.

It does take seconds to click a few buttons yes, but there are times people forget, or can't find the time to come online at all.

What you really need is everyone who IS coming to say yes; that's how you get an accurate count of numbers. People saying no, or not signing up, shouldn't really be relevant.

There is also a "maybe" option for those who are not sure if they can make it.
It is important to give a response on sign-up thread(s) when possible.

This because it makes it a lot easier for us to make the group(s) and it makes things go a little bit quicker.

So when possible, fire up a browser and let us know in the sign-up thread(s) so that we can see more clearly who is a yes on time, late, maybe or a no.
It is only a chore if you yourself choose to see it as a chore.

 

[Zhinrak]

There are a few reasons for this being mentioned. One of the main reasons is that the people organising the raids get a lot of crap thrown at them each week. If only one group can go i can assue you there are 6 people complaining in whispers to the leader about it.

On a few occasions we have had some people complaining about being left out when they had not signed up, and people complaining that we cant get into 25 man raids anymore. We have the people to do it, but not everyone is signing up.

This in no way is a chore, if anything its a way for us to better organise the guild. Anyone who isnt signing up frequently should be demoted to a community member anyway, and lets face it, we have a number of people raider rank who are rarely online or dont play any more. This is a way for us as officers to look at all the people at raider rank and determine what we need to be recuiting [if we should be recruiting].

Yes it might be a bit of a chore to make sure you sign up each week, but to be blunt, if your a raider rank and its too difficult to yas yes or no to a sign up each week then maybe you shouldnt be that rank.

With the whole "assume no sign up = no attend" thats usually how we do it, but again i know a few people who dont sign up because they know they will get a spot if they are needed. Having everyone who should be signed up saying yes or no makes it so much easier for us to build groups based on facts, less than making groups on the premise of "well if person 'X' and person 'Y' show up we can do this".

In addition, IF everyone signs up early, we can have groups ready early. WE once had a period of having groups ready and posted a few hours before, but had to stop because most people were not signing up.

TL : DR: This is benefitial to everyone in the long run, ALOT of our members ask alot of our raid leaders, and this is one thing they ask in return. The are raid organisers, not miracle workers.

EDIT: Also, its not a big deal if you forget to sign up once in a while, we just want raiders to make an effort to sign up as often as possible.

 

[Silk]

You're taking all the fun outta the game using that tone on people :/

I seriously don't feel like playing after reading some of this.

Also it sounds like the core issue is not a lack of people saying no on the damn event forum (because they're not in game either way, are they); rather the attitude of people who have to skip a week or expect to join a raid after not signing up. It's the moaning of said people that's causing you annoyance. I quote:

There's people that don't sign up then show up, and then, there's general moanage and /g spamming of "have the raid invites started yet?"...

"One of the main reasons is that the people organising the raids get a lot of crap thrown at them each week. If only one group can go i can assue you there are 6 people complaining in whispers to the leader about it."

I'm sorry but what are you saying needs fixing, the people who aren't coming telling you they aren't coming when you patently weren't expecting them to be coming anyway, or the fact that you're letting people talk to you like sh1t and moan and carry on?

Regarding "having to sign up": You can't force people to treat the game like it's a job, or a commitment, because then it stops being a game, pure and simple. And have you forgotten the Haven is not supposed to be a hard core raiding guild, it is a guild that raids; as and when the headcount allows.

Also I have yet to hear a well thought out, logical explanation as to why a non-sign cannot be a no. And yes I have read all replies.

 

[Silk]

btw the one thing I hate more than anything is you're starting to sound like my old guild. When a friendly guild tries to go hardcore it's an ugly thing.

If you really want that out of wow, is this the right guild for it? Are you trying to change the guild to suit your own needs?

I'm happy to find pastures new if you want the wow haven guild to go down this path becuase honestly boys, I have better things to do than argue over a game. You're right Zoogy, it is about the community more than the game, therefore I'm surprised to see you agreeing with this. Respect the community, respect each other. Don't tell people what they can and can't do, and what they should or should not do. We have guidelines but this is the first time I've seen an order barked out. And you know what, it's kinda nasty.

I do sympathise with raid leaders getting earache but you're "doing it wrong" if you think the signup sheet is the issue. The issue is the people giving you earache are not following the basic guild ethos, to respect each other, to be friendly. Surely that should be tackled first and foremost.

Then again this whole thread goes against the core principles, so meh.. I give up!

 

[Elincia]

I think this is quite logic.

Do you want to be in a raid, get the rank raider/ trial raider. This means you need to sign in or out on raids. It are just simple rules, that take less then 5 minutes to acomplish...
If you want to be in the community ( as a friendly member), be a community member as a rank.
You can still sign in and you can still raid, if there are not enough raiders who want to join.

Atleast, this is how I see it.

 

[Zooggy]

[mod]This is one of those threads that goes sour all of a sudden, with little to no warning, so I've closed it. Feel free to open a side thread with comments, if you want.[/mod]