Hey,
One of the reasons why Stelios didn't get accepted as Trail Raider was because Trial Raider recruitment was closed, so how come 3 applications after Stelios application have been accepted as Trial Raider?
No, it wasn't "closed". It was, however, rather tight. Specifically, at the time, we were over-heavy on melee DPS. However, like you said, it was
one, of the reasons, not the whole story.
Seems like double standards to me, just because they have been in the guild before
is there some sort of advantage of being a long term member opposed to being a newer member of The haven to get priorty in apps?
In a word, yes. This isn't a corporation and we're not unionized. These are people whom we know personally and have long-term relationships with. I'd be suprised if stuff like this didn't happen in
every organization that purports itself to be a community and a group of friends.
As a trivial and extreme example, do you really imagine for a second that [strike]if[/strike]when
p), say, T-Bone comes back, he won't raid because "recruitment is closed"?
Long-standing members of the Community will be given slack that won't be so easily extended to newer members. This is one of the things I mean when I say to people that the Community
will invest in you if you find it in your heart to invest in us as well.
i wont lie i raised this point to a couple of officers and i was not given much explantion it came down to incoherent mumbles so i dont understand
This too is only natural. If it had happened to you, would you really want the officers explaining themselves to some third party behind your back? I know I wouldn't. The one person that is owed and is deserving of a full and detailed explanation is Stelios himself. Until he asks for it here, the lot of you won't get a public one either.
Nonetheless, you're entitled to have your voice and be heard. I've said this to a number of people, and I will repeat it again here: it literally swells my heart with pride that people in this community care about each other enough to become indignant when things like this happen. And if you don't believe me, go ask Xylak what happened to him as a result of his rather vocal opposition to the Stelios decision, among other things.
In the meantime, Stelios is on my Friends list. It saddens me that that's all I can give him at this time, but it is what it is. Yes, he got shafted by the timing, and yes, there were some people that were seemingly more interested in attacking us than defending him, which didn't help him either. It's also bad that things seemed to get out of hand precisely at the time that we were away at the meet. By the time I got back, he had already left the guild and found a spot in another raiding guild. Good for him, I say, and I honestly wish him the best success. I remain hopeful that he will find his way back to us come Cataclysm.
Lastly, I would like to remind everyone that the THN forums do have private messaging. As the guild's main community advocate, it's my job to listen to your concerns and integrate them into the guild life. I check the forums every day, several times a day, even if I'm not in-game. Make use of these, folks. I've never let a message go unanswered, even if it does take me a three or four days to compose a reply.
Cheers,
J.
