"text talk"

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Gombol

Guest
Who here thinks "Text Talk" has ruined the English language?

And by "Text Talk" i mean stuff like "rofl, ppl, etc. etc. etc."

Simple sentence you could type easily:

"What you up to?"

Text Talk version:

"wht u up 2?"

Dunno if any of you feel like the same..but it annoys me loads...if people want to take the time to Learn English, they shouldn't fuck it all up with shortened versions of every single word in the English dictionary.

I understand i use things shortened like "lol" etc, but thats easier to type *laugh* or *laughs out loud*..i know some of you likes to say "hehe" and what not, which is fair enough, but when your typing quick "lol" is just easier.
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
It's a little churlish of me to pick at the example given, but I think that would more properly be:

"What're you up to?"

Even that is still fairly colloquial by the use of "up to". I tried rewriting it more formally, however, and I found the intention was lost. "What are you doing?" sounds like an imperious demand.

I avoid using text/l33t abbreviations for the large part, except where I'm being ironic, sarcastic or rushed. Even when I do use them, I capitalise them to make it clear they are an abbreviation. Ones I pull out regularly:

  • IIRC - if I remember correctly
  • TTFN - ta ta for now
  • AFAIK - as far as I know
  • AFK - away from keyboard

As you can see, all of those are very functional. When it comes to the expression of emotion, however, the abbreviations irritate me. If I've taken the time to express something amusing and the response is "lol", I feel as if the other person has given me only a token response, just paying lip service to the idea that its good to give positive feedback. When you "lol", are you smiling a little, a lot, chuckling, giggling, guffawing, laughing, laughing loudly, laughing uncontrollably (and I know it's not the last 'cause you can still type)...? I don't know. And I find that "lol" makes me not care, either. Won't take the time to give me a thought-out or worthwhile response? Fine, I'll not take the time to converse with you.

Sure, that's my irritability speaking and practically I don't enforce that line I express above. But surely it can't be so difficult to spend just a second or two longer to write what you really mean than just palming off with a "lol" for when you smirk a little and "rofl" for when you chuckle? Mmm?

(The "you" I use above I don't mean to be specific, but in a general "you, the people" sense.)

Smilies are different, however. Smilies are there to support text, to give it flavour that might otherwise take another paragraph to express. It's not a few second, but quite possibly many minutes that a smilie helps one shortcut and in quick fire online conversation that can be crucial. They don't stand for anything themselves, per se, they just support the words around them, usually preceding them.

All that said, the 'net is a very diverse beast and has room for different cultures in different places. Each community arrives at its own "standard" for how communication should occur, what the acceptable norms are. THN doesn't like txt or l33t because a bunch of us longer term members don't want to spend our time decoding hastily written one-liners just so we can realise they only say "lol, I r0x, u suxx0r" or something else equally inane.

I'll come back to one specific thing, though:

Gombol said:
i know some of you likes to say "hehe" and what not, which is fair enough, but when your typing quick "lol" is just easier.

Easier isn't the point, I feel. Taking the time to provide a meaningful response is the point. I'd rather you took two minutes to write four words that were expressive than two 2 seconds to type some massively overused abbreviation that doesn't actually tell me anything useful.
 

KillCrazy

Active Member
Shorthand for another word. I started using this when I got my first phone donks ago. It helped write a text quickly and could shorten it down so that you only send one text and not two, saving money.

I also write in some shorthand on MSN or any other chat program, however I use proper english for more formal things such as essays, letters and forum posts. I don't think it has ruined the english language as people only tend to use it when talking online in chat rooms or on IRC programs and in games.

I'm pretty sure most people who use shorthand know how to write proper sentences.
 
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Gombol

Guest
  • IIRC - if I remember correctly
  • TTFN - ta ta for now
  • AFAIK - as far as I know
  • AFK - away from keyboard

stuff like that is fair enough for the ease and the speed, its just stuff that is not needed, Like "kk" i mean..."ok" is the same about of damn words and it uses one different key thats right next to the damn keys.

(also..this has to be the first time ive read all of one of your long winded posts! :p)
 

KillCrazy

Active Member
...its just stuff that is not needed, Like "kk" i mean..."ok" is the same about of damn words and it uses one different key thats right next to the damn keys.

People do this for fun I suppose. It's bound to happen when you have a situation where people are writing all the time. People get bored and think up creative ways of speaking, and if it's with your friends or on a game or whatever, is there really harm in it?
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
stuff like that is fair enough for the ease and the speed, its just stuff that is not needed, Like "kk" i mean..."ok" is the same about of damn words and it uses one different key thats right next to the damn keys.

Interesting that you pull out "kk". I should have mentioned that.

There's another class of shortening that isn't so much about abbreviation, it's more akin to onomatopoeia. By this I mean it's a textual representation of something you might actually say (without being ironic, in the cases where people actually say "lollercakes", damn them!). So "kk" is the very fast version of "Okay okay", but you might actually say it. I do, in fact.

Written word has trouble with some of our spoken word nuances so we make do or use constructions that form the right sort of sounds. The Scottish "dunnae" (as in "doesn't") probably doesn't turn up in dictionaries but is expressive as to the sound used when speaking.

Again, expression over utility, except where utility is paramount. SMS charges, for example, were a good reason to say as much as possible in as few characters as possible, exactly as KC highlights.

this has to be the first time ive read all of one of your long winded posts!

That's one of my medium length posts. :)
 
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Gombol

Guest
Accents dont count mr!!

in texts i can agree..but not when you have enough time to type a full sentance

They all look around that length though ronin! o_O
 

Tetsuo_Shima

In Cryo Sleep
Text speak gets on my nerves a lot. I used to use it a little on MSN (when I actually liked MSN, that is. I havent used it for months now, years even. It's a pile of cumshot) but I've tried to force myself out of the habit, and I'd say my english has improved, if a little :) Some expressions I can forgive, like 'lol', because it's hard to express mirth any other way. 'Ha ha' sounds a bit cheesy and all the other abbreviations are rubbish (rofl, lmao etc.) so, although I avoid it, lol is sometimes the only way to put it.

What REALLY gets on my nerves is when people use idiot phrases sarcastically, with the original intention of poking fun at people that use it seriously, to the extent that they actually, inadvertently and ironically, end up incorporating it into their normal speech. I'm referring to phrases like 'OMGZ YOU NOOB LOLOLOLOL' and 'OMGWTF1111!!!BBQ!', which were funny once, but when you do it EVERY SINGLE damn SENTENCE the humour wears thin to the point of 1-dimensional. This, coupled with my dislike of cats, is the main reason why I hate those annoying fucking cat pictures.
 

KillCrazy

Active Member
In defence to the cat pictures, the text used is to alter the words so that someone can read it and hear an accent or a way of talking, which has become the way the cats speak. It's just all a bit of cute humour.

But yes I can agree with you on the 'OMG YOU NOOB ROFLOLOLOL' type crap. Stuff like that can just annoy the hell out of me.
 

Nanor

Well-Known Member
Does anyone have any idea how much I want to reply to this thread with "lol?".
 

Taffy

New Member
Simple sentence you could type easily:

"What you up to?"

Text Talk version:

"wht u up 2?"

Actually, the proper text version would be "wuu2?" :p

I think text talk is okay, as long as it still means something, and isn't used ridiculous amounts. Also, I can't stand it when you crash a helicopter on BF2 and some idiot types 'rofl lmao ffs joo r teh n00b i m teh 1337!!11!!1'

Text talk can also come in handy in RL (now that IS a useful abbreviation). When one of my friends (a certain one springs to mind) tells a naff joke and no-one says anything, I sometimes say 'lol' just to mix it up a little. It then becomes useful, because I've turned an overused and meaningless text expression into sarcasm :D
 

[THN]Buffalo_Hunter

In Cryo Sleep
Maybe this is why a lot of kids can't talk or read properly nowadays. Texting means (a) you don't use proper words and (b) you talk to people less. Even the mobile phone operators are giving away free texts....

Anyway, I'll stop rambling and get back to the original point...I hate text talk....and three-letter acronyms...and a lot of other things....
 

Sephiroth

In Cryo Sleep
I dont mind text talk that much, mainly because i use "lol" so often that the moon could explode. I would agree though, sure say it to get out of situation you dont want to be in, but when it comes down to it i dont think it really effects how most people speaks or their inability to read in RL, in my school at least its more of these morons who idolize rappers (i mean the singers) and walk around saying their "gangster" that whats really doing it.
As a joke with yours friends, msn or texting with a mobile. But in a serious conversation or argument your really just going to look like an idiot (like me :D).
Bottom line, if people (like myself) want to look like idiots let them, and we can only hope that they act like that in a job interview simply to teach them a lesson.
 
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