100 Dead in Iraq for UK
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Pubic_Warrior
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no the new iraq army and police, and not all muslims bomb
Pubic_Warrior
In Cryo Sleep
dude its like WW2, no-one thort it would last that long, its just war and we have to deal with it
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Fi$hy
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Yeah, a hand-over is a long way away, the Iraqi army and Police is even less able to cope with "insurgents"
The way I see it, instead of pulling out the British Army and U.S marine's should be committing more and more.
Whilst adding troops will put more at risk, on an individual basis surely the average trooper will be safer with more comrades around.
Secondly the major issue I feel, and one that the U.S failed to learn in Vietnam is the reliance on technology - I'll explain:
It's all very well to "quick strike" using BH's full of troops, who then withdraw once the mission is over, but against insurgent's it's stupid.
Insurgents "ack, Omg those hacking USMC are coming with BlackHawks" "Quick hide in bushes, till they're gone"
USMC "Area secure, lets bugger off back to base"
Insurgents "right lads, back to the roadside".
It's utterly pointless, the only way to get rid of insurgents is to root them out,inch by inch. Playing the role of "annoying wasp" just delays the inevitible withdrawl
The way I see it, instead of pulling out the British Army and U.S marine's should be committing more and more.
Whilst adding troops will put more at risk, on an individual basis surely the average trooper will be safer with more comrades around.
Secondly the major issue I feel, and one that the U.S failed to learn in Vietnam is the reliance on technology - I'll explain:
It's all very well to "quick strike" using BH's full of troops, who then withdraw once the mission is over, but against insurgent's it's stupid.
Insurgents "ack, Omg those hacking USMC are coming with BlackHawks" "Quick hide in bushes, till they're gone"
USMC "Area secure, lets bugger off back to base"
Insurgents "right lads, back to the roadside".
It's utterly pointless, the only way to get rid of insurgents is to root them out,inch by inch. Playing the role of "annoying wasp" just delays the inevitible withdrawl
Pubic_Warrior
In Cryo Sleep
as long as there are humans on this earth then there will always be war
Pubic_Warrior
In Cryo Sleep
everywhere you look there is a war, even if its gangwar people still die for stupid reasons, war is bad yea i know, but there will never ever be world peace, so dont kid yourselves, the war may not have England in it but it still happens
Pestcontrol
In Cryo Sleep
Lol gopha. 
It's an attitude i'm seeing from a lot of people, and i used to argue the same when i was younger. Then i happened to listen to, of all things, our Queen's annual Throne Speech, where she argued the exact same point, and got the insight. Just because it's common, that doesn't mean you should take it for granted.
If you do take it for granted, accept it as part of the world we live in, your attitude is effectively one of apathy, and i think apathy is the last thing we need in this.
@Taffy: I never said we should invade all those nations mentioned (although i supported intervening in Sudan during the Darfur crisis)
I have to agree with BiG_D here. Just because it's common, that doesn't mean you should take it for granted.Pubic_Warior said:
It's an attitude i'm seeing from a lot of people, and i used to argue the same when i was younger. Then i happened to listen to, of all things, our Queen's annual Throne Speech, where she argued the exact same point, and got the insight. Just because it's common, that doesn't mean you should take it for granted.
If you do take it for granted, accept it as part of the world we live in, your attitude is effectively one of apathy, and i think apathy is the last thing we need in this.
@Taffy: I never said we should invade all those nations mentioned (although i supported intervening in Sudan during the Darfur crisis)
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Phryxus
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Iraq was never a viable conflict as neither power in the Coalition was ever fully committed to victory, or at least victory in the sense of purging Iraq of insurgents. What was planned for was basically the Coalition rumbling into Baghdad and the Iraqi Army capitulating en masse - so they could then be used to rebuild the shattered infrastructure. Needless to say, even with the difficulty of even having the conflict 'approved' it's not quite that easy.
Iraq is a complete mess, in my eyes the only thing actually keeping the state together was in fact Saddam Hussein, the country itself being made up of fractionally connected ethnic groups, Kurds, Shi'ites and quite a few more. With the balance of power removed, all the warring factions want to do is settle it in their own way - a civil war they've been on the brink of for years.
I'm not going to go into whether the conflict was right or justified, in my opinion all that has needed to be said has been said already and I also believe that the support should be with the troops that are there, not the focus still remaining upon why they're in Iraq, as ultimately they have to stay until the government is assured that the situation is stable. It seems likely that we will see a withdrawal of troops in the near future, but either way Iraq will be unstable for numerous decades as the power structure is assigned how the inhabitants see fit (minus Western interference) and no conjecture upon why we ever invaded will ever solve that particular problem.
Iraq is a complete mess, in my eyes the only thing actually keeping the state together was in fact Saddam Hussein, the country itself being made up of fractionally connected ethnic groups, Kurds, Shi'ites and quite a few more. With the balance of power removed, all the warring factions want to do is settle it in their own way - a civil war they've been on the brink of for years.
I'm not going to go into whether the conflict was right or justified, in my opinion all that has needed to be said has been said already and I also believe that the support should be with the troops that are there, not the focus still remaining upon why they're in Iraq, as ultimately they have to stay until the government is assured that the situation is stable. It seems likely that we will see a withdrawal of troops in the near future, but either way Iraq will be unstable for numerous decades as the power structure is assigned how the inhabitants see fit (minus Western interference) and no conjecture upon why we ever invaded will ever solve that particular problem.