Panda with issues...
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Sure they will, but I've had plenty of games that worked fine when demo'd at the shop, and then later crashed at certain points because of issues with the disc, especially on console.
4 Video Game Complaints We're Just Going to Have to Get Over
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Sure they will, but I've had plenty of games that worked fine when demo'd at the shop, and then later crashed at certain points because of issues with the disc, especially on console.
Where did I say old products should cost the same as newer counterparts?
You were claiming certain products degrade over time (such as cars) and therefore were legitimately worth less? or did i misunderstand?
I was simply likening a simple scenario where games are worth less after time, and example of this (and other products losing value) is through upgrades and replacements.
Entirely possible i got the wrong end of the stick, if so i apologise, but damnit i want to be part of the argument :/
Narly Bird
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Bunk i say!
Say for example you buy a 2nd hand console game. You need the cartridge every time you play it. Buying it 2nd hand and all other things being equal, its useful life will be less than if you had bought it brand new, simply because the cartridge can only take so many bumps and scratches before it dies. And its already taken some of those from its previous owner. Same goes for cd’s. The only case where your argument holds true is digital goods that don’t require the cd or cartridge to run them.
And as for pc games that you only need to install once and don’t need to use the cd again. How about the scenario where your game gets corrupted and therefore you need to reinstall? Or you get a new computer and want to play the game on that computer. It is a physical good in that case as you need to use your cd to reinstall. And the cd is a physical good that will degrade over time.
If you are just talking about digital games, that don’t require any physical product whatsoever, then you should clarify yourself. Otherwise I say “bunk”!
Narly Bird
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Funnily enough, i still have a book i bought 10 years ago and it is still readable. So i guess i shouldn't be able to sell that either?
And no, games dont either work or they dont. My old SNES games sometimes work (occassionally if i blow into the cartridge 10 times they spring to life, much like an act of resuscitation). And sometimes they freeze up mid game. Its because they are now old and they have degraded over time. And i also have some SNES games that no longer work, because they've taken 1 too many knocks and the breath of life can't revive them. They have given up the ghost because they degrade over time.
Seriously Big D, you are flogging a dead horse here. Either you are talking about purely digital products or you are just plain wrong.
STRAAAAWWWWW MAAANNNNNNN
Narly Bird
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I love it how you only attack 1 sentence and ignore the remainder (and main argument) of my previous comment. Clutching at straws perhaps?
Please tell me why you should be able to sell a second hand book and not a second hand cd/cartridge? What exactly is the defining point, according to you?
Please tell me why you should be able to sell a second hand book and not a second hand cd/cartridge? What exactly is the defining point, according to you?
Panda with issues...
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Your anecdote is just as scientifically robust as mine, where I've had numerous second hand CDs, DVDs and games not work at certain parts due to scratches on the disc.
Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining.
Pull the other one mate. It's got bells on.
Spicypixel
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Only if we have a clanbox.
Huung
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Xylak
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Panda with issues...
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STRAAAAWWWWW MAAANNNNNNN
I hate using these terms, but if Big D is going to start:
He's happy to lob terms around which describe logical fallacies like 'Straw Man' but what he is doing is another logical fallacy, known as 'stacking the deck' - Ignoring evidence that doesn't fit his argument completely.
Ignoring part of Narly Bird's argument and only attacking a subset of it is also a form of straw man logical fallacy.
Dragon
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And I don't think that this discussion is about what is a straw man argument and what is not. Neither is it about D's line of argumentation. While one point of the 4 game complaints has been discussed to its death, basically beyond a point where you'll have to call it corpse defiling (if thats the correct term). Maybe we'll have to agree that we don't agree on that one and get back to the original topic.
If you want to discuss D's line of argumentation, how about you do that in a seperate thread, or better yet in a pm. While I myself don't agree with the way some people argue, I don't think that exposing and making fun of him in that way is appropriate.
If you want to discuss D's line of argumentation, how about you do that in a seperate thread, or better yet in a pm. While I myself don't agree with the way some people argue, I don't think that exposing and making fun of him in that way is appropriate.
Huung
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This thread desperately needed an injection of humour. Off topic humour, perhaps, but when the argument changes to who's arguing properly, you've probably come to the point where the subject needs changing anyway.
Also, this was purely lighthearted. No offence was intended, and I had hoped D's heart would grow three sizes that day and we could all eat roast beast together.
