An experiment - intrigue(ish) long term forum game

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Ahey, all, :)

So I have this idea for a forum game to run over the long haul. When I say "forum game", think our (ir)regularly-run werewolf games, but with completely different mechanics and principles.

I have it all designed in my head and it's very clear. Despite that:

1) I won't tell you what the rules are before you start playing the game;
2) I won't tell you when the game will start, but I will tell you after it starts;
3) I will tell you when the game is over, but not how I will calculate when the game will end;
4) I won't tell you who else is playing;
4) I will tell you when anyone (including you) is booted out of the game, and, like in the werewolf game, once you're booted, you can't come back in;

If your curiosity is piqued, DO NOT POST TO THIS THREAD. Instead, send me a forum PM with any questions you may have. Some I will answer, some I will not. :)

The one question I anticipate right off the bat is, what sort of commitment to the forums will be required to be successful at this. The answer is a lot less than required for the werewolf games, but, it's my expectation that the more you keep abreast of things here, the more likely you are to do well. I won't go into why this is, at this point, but it should become apparent over time.

Another anticipated question is, what'll be the theme of the game. I won't tell you that right of the bat, but I will advance the following: the place is the city of Lisbon and the year is 1941.

To repeat, if you're at all interested in this, I ask that you do not reply to this message, at all, even if it's just to say "Interesting...". Ask any questions or post any comments via PM. :)

Mysterious, eh? ;)

Well, like I said, it's an experiment. If it goes well, I may repeat it in the future. :)

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hello, :)

Breaking News

Sunday, March 6th, "1941"

A man was found dead on a backstreet in Lisbon, last night, with a single shot in the head from a high caliber rifle. The man has since been identified as thatbloke, an American steel trader in the country on business. Homicide investigators have closed the case, claiming it to be random and unsolvable.

Rumors that Mr. thatbloke may have been involved in espionage activities were promptly dismissed by the PVDE.

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hello, :)

Breaking News

Tuesday, March 8th, "1941"

An explosion took place at an outdoors café on a sidestreet in Lisbon, yesterday. Fortunately, the café was closed and there was only one fatal victim. The man has been identified as Traxata, an American pharmaceutical representative in the country on business. Police investigators have stated that it was probably the work of a random mad man, and as such, likely to be unsolvable.

The PVDE has dismissed all rumors that Mr. Traxata may have been a foreign agent operating on Portuguese soil.

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hello, :)

Breaking News

Saturday, March 12th, "1941"

Another explosion has taken place in Lisbon, this time near an abandoned warehouse in the dock area. The building was condemned, and as such, there was precious little property damage. Despite the remoteness of the location, the explosion did claim one fatal victim. The man has been identified as Dr Drae, an American tourist in the country on vacations. Police investigators have stated that this was probably a failed attempt at insurance fraud, and that the victim was just an unfortunate coincidence. Because paperwork on the warehouse could not be traced, however, they have closed the case unsolved.

This is the second random explosion to take place within one week. However, PVDE representatives have dismissed all rumors of an escalating espionage war.

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hello, :)

Breaking News

Tuesday, March 15th, "1941"

A man was found dead on a backstreet in Lisbon, last night, with a single shot in the head from a high caliber rifle. The man has since been identified as Ronin Storm, an American business angel in the country on business. Homicide investigators have closed the case, claiming it to be random and unsolvable.

The PVDE was unavilable for comment on whether this latest killing is the latest of a series of deaths related to an ongoing spy war.

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hello, :)

Breaking News

Wednesday, March 16th, "1941"

A man was found dead on a backstreet in Lisbon, last night, with a single shot in the head from a high caliber rifle. The man has since been identified as Pwnstar, an American inventor looking to buy a house and retire here. Homicide investigators have closed the case, claiming it to be random and unsolvable.

The PVDE denied all rumors an ongoing spy war, and added that, whatever it was, they are sure that it is over.

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Heyo, :)

The game is over. The winner was Wol. :)

Thanks to all the participants. I certainly had fun running it.

I've re-opened the thread, and we can now talk about this openly. I'll be composing a series of specific questions, but until then, let the discussion commence.

Cheers,
J.
 

Dr Drae

In Cryo Sleep
You did. I'm sorry bloke. x3 But this was definitely an awesome experiment. Would love to do something like this again sometime. :3

It was intriguing actually, I spent ages on posts just trying not to look suspicious; which just didn't seem right; NOBODY KNEW. XD
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
I'm not sure Zooggy wants us to reveal the rules (yet) even though the game is over, so I'll leave a brief explanation of the game up to Zooggy :)
 

waterproofbob

Junior Administrator
I had meant to get in on this and sort of forgot.

Sounds like you guys had fun would be up for a future game if one were to happen.
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
From an outside perspective: brief synopsis of what was actually going on?

would probably be helpful.

Someone else can repost the messages which were sent.

In essence:

You're given a target
You setup 5 trigger words

1) The person says one of the trigger words - you have to reply to that post, quoting that post. If they dont notice, they die.
2) If you post something, and they quote you, then they die.
3) If you post something, and they reply instantly after, they die.

There are other htings on top of this also.

My opinion; Too many ways to kill someone, not enough ways (not enough non apocalyptic ways) to avoid being killed without just stopping posting altogether, which is a detrimental thing on a forum. Dont think it mattered with quite a few people playing, but a larger scale game could be tricky if lots of people just try and refrain from posting on the forum.

My vague "tactics": I joined the game after bloke died as the thread wasnt stickied or anything so when i came back on here, the thread had dropped down quite a way in the forum. Once I'd joined, I knew that I had to stop saying usual words on the forum, so I ended up not talking much in the LAN threads as I imagine someone would have picked something like that as a trigger word for me. Other things like "nom" i refrained from saying! Would like to know what the words were that someone had on me.

My target originally was PwnStar, who, I'll be honest, haven't talked to much. Chose a few trigger words based on more unique stuff from the "last posts by" page. In the end it was the post in the "name that game" thread when he got one right. I knew that if i posted in there, then chances are he could be the next person to reply in the thread. Was a "put yourself in the right place at the right time".

When it was down to the last 3, it became a "If you guess the other person, then they become a second target". Looking through the times of death of the people who had already died, and cross referencing it with their posts the day / day before, I saw that when trax died, the only person to talk to him the day before (and quote him), was Ronin, so that was quite an easy one to work out.

Was quite cheeky in getting ronin though, as I posted a reply directly after one of his posts, but his post was from before the game started. Setting up a question, he ended up quoting me which made me get him. He also said the trigger word too.

So just need to be a bit clever with the use of timings / post dates / "all posts by".

Quite an interesting experiment though I have to say. Could do with a few more added bits on how to avoid being killed, or at least some way to come back into the game. Those who post more frequently (I wasnt surprised bloke went first), are more likely to go sooner. Maybe it would be good to have a "three lives and out" sort of thing, so you can vaguely come back into the game, rather than going out instantly. ..... seek revenge maybe!

those are my thoughts atm anyway. I'm sure there were some other ones I'd thought of, but I'll post those as I remember them.
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
I'm not sure Zooggy wants us to reveal the rules (yet) even though the game is over, so I'll leave a brief explanation of the game up to Zooggy :)

Well I'm assuming that the rules will come out at some point, otherwise constructive discussion may become a bit tricky. I've summarised it in my above post, but there are other complexities in there that I've not bothered to put in.
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
So, first off:

Thanks muchly to Zooggy and all the players for the game. Well played all.

Some thoughts on the game itself:

When Zooggy first mentioned this, I imagined a similar idea of spies or ninjas interacting in some way via posts on the board. I'd envisaged them completing missions through these posts, possibly as part of teams. Interesting to see how this all turned out.

In this variant, the aim of the game was to wipe out all the other players. This could be done in two ways (not sure I agree with Wol's three):

  1. A planted bomb comprising of 5 words targeted at a specific person. If they post anything after you've privately declared your trigger words with one of those words (or some variation on those words) and you quote their use of that word in your reply then you've killed them.
  2. An opportunistic shooting comprised of having them post immediately after you in a thread.

I terminated Traxata with a planted device and was hunting Wol at the end.

I like the planted device mechanic as it requires some analysis of the posting habits of your target and only relies on them posting something that follows those habits, plus your reply to trigger the kill.

However, I have a little meta-problem with the posts-get-you-killed mechanic in that it can promote a reduction or deliberate change in posting pattern that disrupts or reduces normal board posting flow. This is particlarly pronounced in the second variety of kill where sequence of posting is the prime mechanic; thus delaying a post may avoid being killed.

Also, thread sequence is difficult to see in threaded mode and constantly switching back to linear mode just to play is a pain.

What it meant, for me, was that I needed to accept that to continue a normal flow of posts I was going to put myself randomly or semi-deliberately in harms way, which a person less concerned about regular posting would have a distinct advantage in. In other words, I had to play the game badly or let my contributions suffer.

I guess my point there is that discouraging posting isn't a good mechanic for a forum-based game.

My as yet incomplete thinking on a similar style of game was musing on "coding" messages into posts to pass between members of a team and having it become a sort of race to successfully pass or intercept these coded messages. A non-elimination spy game, I guess. The meta-focus there, though, is to encourage and reward posting. I suppose it's a board administrator's view on the world, however... :)
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
I guess my point there is that discouraging posting isn't a good mechanic for a forum-based game.

My as yet incomplete thinking on a similar style of game was musing on "coding" messages into posts to pass between members of a team and having it become a sort of race to successfully pass or intercept these coded messages. A non-elimination spy game, I guess. The meta-focus there, though, is to encourage and reward posting. I suppose it's a board administrator's view on the world, however... :)

Definitely agree here. There was something you asked about minecraft in the server thread which you posted after I mentioned something about minecraft, but I guessed that the planted device would probably have "minecraft" or something like that in, so I kept quiet. Maybe needs some form of protection on a number of posts, so for urgent / important replies, you can at least post, but then make yourself immune for a single post a day or something. Dont think that specifically would work, but i think something like that might be needed so that its less restrictive on posts.

I like the coded message idea though. Could be interesting incorporating that.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hey, :)

Heh... I could have sworn I had posted the full rules already, but I guess I must have hit Preview instead of Submit... :rolleyes:

Anyway:

not enough ways to avoid being killed without just stopping posting altogether, which is a detrimental thing on a forum.

the posts-get-you-killed mechanic [...] can promote a reduction or deliberate change in posting pattern that disrupts or reduces normal board posting flow

I have to agree with this. I only did the full formal typing of the rules after I got a couple of "sign-ups", and I only realised that possibly as I was typing. It was, in fact, the motivation behind:

Zooggy said:
J - Fair play

There are several hundred registered users on the forum, of which about one hundred are active enough to have visited us within this past week. Although any forum thread might potentially have an impact on the game, these rules are not intended to discourage you from otherwise participating normally in any discussions you would normally participate in.

This section was not thought out beforehand, it was added during the process of typing up the stuff. Naturally, I won't have any way to know if you abstained from posting something you otherwise wanted to post for fear of losing this.

However, out of the several dozen active posters on the boards, only one of them will be after you. Whatever post you're looking at, chances are that that's not the one.

So, participate normally, like you would, and try to enjoy the ride.

Naturally, the drive to win can overcome a lost paragraph buried beneath a long-ass rules post (and yes, it was looooooong). Still, I did think about it beforehand. :)

In either case, the effect was heavy enough that I won't be running the same game again. I have more ideas for a different type of thing which would include the usage of coded information in the regular forum posts, something which would create an incentive for more posts, rather than less, but I have to think about it some more... :)

Anyway, for reference's sake, I'll post the full rules later on, and after that, some specific questions.

Cheers,
J.
 

Traxata

Junior Administrator
How about I ninja INB4U :p

And do this? :D (you can obviously moderate it if you wanted to anyway Zoogg)

Zooggy's Rules said:
Office of Strategic Services
Department of War
United States of America

Office of the Director for Intelligence

Agent Traxata, welcome to the OSS.

Your first assignment is to be deployed to Lisbon to follow up on the assassination of MI6 Agent Mr. Orange. We suspect a rogue operative within the OSS murdered Agent Orange during an information exchange. Your task will be to weed out this rogue operative and eliminate him or her.

Your contact in Lisbon will be Agent Zooggy. He's been in Lisbon for some time and has tracked down this rogue operative. Upon your arrival in Lisbon, Agent Zooggy will give you the identity of the killer. You are to eliminate him as soon as possible and await further instructions by Agent Zooggy. It is suspected, but not yet proven, that this rogue operative is not acting alone, but is, in fact, a member of a small rogue cell. If this is confirmed, you are to keep terminating these rogue agents until the whole cell has been eliminated, at which point, you will be cleared to return.

A final word of warning: we strongly suspect that the rogue cell has access to a mole inside the OSS. Watch your back, out there.

That is all. Good luck.

Brigadier General John Magruder

--//--

Hey, there,

These are the rules of the game (as far as you know them up to this point):

A - Start of the game

The game does not "start". It is ongoing. Your participation in the game starts with your first target assignment. You yourself will be a target for some other player. (For now), you will never be your target's target.

B - Who else is playing

You don't know and I won't tell you. Except that, your target is also playing the game. Up until you kill them, that is.

C - Receiving a target assignment

You will receive a PM from me with the subject line: [SvS] Target Identification. The body of the message will contain the (current) forum ID of your target. (If your target changes forum IDs, as a couple of people have done recently, they will still be your target. I'll do my best to keep you informed of any changes.)

If you eliminate your target (section F), your target gets Burned (section G) or your target goes Missing in Action (section H), you will receive a new target assignment and the game will go on from there.

D - Engaging your target

There are two ways to engage your target: via Planted Device or via Direct Hit. The procedures for each are outlined in section F below. The rules of engagement are as follows:
- You must send me a Planted Device message. It signals your acceptance of the target and the beginning of your hunt.
- You may set up as many Direct Hit posts as you want, including zero.

E - Losing

If you get Killed (section F) or go Missing in Action (section H), you are out of the game. If you get Burned (section G), there is a way to get back into the game, but I won't tell you about it until it happens. In any case, you will receive a PM from me with a properly formated [SvS] subject line and a mesage body with any appropriate links explaining what's happened.

F - Eliminating your target

F.1 - Planted Device

1) Set up: Send me a PM with the subject line: [SvS] Planted Device: <target name>. The body of the message should consist of a list of exactly five words. The following words are invalid:
- and; or; but; if; then; etc
- what; how; when; where, and others of the sort
- not; no; yes
- All pronouns and variations thereof, such as I, their, an, etc...
- All propositions, such as in; onto; over, etc...
- Any word with less than three letters.
- Verbal forms not in the infinitive.

2) Walk in range: Your target walks in range of your device by posting any post to any thread in a publicly accessible section of the forums, which contains at least one of the words on your list, or a variation thereof. Variations include all plurals, verb forms, prefixation or suffixation, and any other gramatically valid variation. Contractions count as the words that form the contraction. The timestamp for your target's post must be later than the timestamp of your PM to me. However, the following threads are off-limits and safe:
- The Happy Birthday thread for your target, if it exists. Any other congratulatory threads are kosher, however.
- Any thread in any section which requires special forum privileges to access.

3) Trigger the device: You must post to the same thread as your target, quoting any part of his post that includes at least one of the words. The quote must be a recognizable vBulletin BBCode quote that links back to your target's post, like any normal post quote does when people click the Quote button. Ideally, it should make sense in the thread, so as to maintain your cover.

4) Verify the kill: Basically, send me a PM with the subject line: [SvS] Target Killed: <target name>. The body of the message should be a link to your post. I will then verify that your link complies to the conditions outlined above. From then on, your target has exactly 24 hours to attempt to dodge the device. If they do, they get a Burn Notice. If not, your target is dead. The timestamp of this PM determines the Time of Death.

F.2 - Direct Hit

1) Set up: Make any post in any forum thread in a publicly accessible section of the forums. This post must conform to the THN forum rules and principles, and ideally, it should make sense in the thread, but other than that, anything is free game, except:
- Any post with a timestamp earlier than your Planted Device PM to me. You cannot set up a Direct Hit before you set up the Planted Device.
- The first post of a thread. You cannot set up a Direct Hit by starting a new thread. Any post from the second onward is kosher, however.
- The Happy Birthday thread for your target, if it exists. Any other congratulatory threads are kosher, however.
- Any thread in any section which requires special forum privileges to access.

2) Line of fire: Your target walks into your line of fire by posting in the same thread, and either:
- Posting immediately after you in chronological order; or
- Quoting any part of your message. The quote must be a recognizable vBulletin BBCode quote that links back to your post, like any normal post quote does when people click the Quote button.

3) Take the shot: Basically, send me a PM with the subject line: [SvS] Direct Hit: <target name>. The body of the message should be a link to your target's post. I will then verify that your link complies to one (or both) of the conditions outlined above. If it does, your target is dead. The timestamp of this PM determines the Time of Death.

G - Burn Notice

There are several ways of getting Burned in the game. Basically, if you post specifically about the game in any thread and I notice it or am made aware of it in any way, you will be given a Burn Notice. From then on, the rules change for you, but you'll get a briefing about that if and when it happens.

One way of getting Burned is attempting to dodge a kill.

G.1 - Planted Device

When you see someone quote a post from you and you suspect they may be triggering a device, you have 24 hours to post to that thread with the single word "Dodge!". No intros and no signoffs. (The automated post signature is ok.)

Be warned that any "Dodge!" post will get you Burned and out of the normal part of the game, making it much, much harder for you to win, even if the post you are dodging is not a Planted Device trigger post. But if it was, hey, at least you're still alive.

G.2 - Direct Hit

When you quote someone using actual "" quotes or an improperly formated vBulletin BBCode quote that doesn't point to the post you quoted, you will be given a Burn Notice. You will, however, become temporarilly immune to killing by the poster of the quoted post.

H - Missing in Action

A player will go Missing in Action if:
- They go more than two weeks without visiting the forums; or
- They go more than a month without posting to the forums.

If your target goes Missing in Action, send me a PM with the subject line: [SvS] Missing in Action: <target name>. The body of the message should contain a link to his forum profile. I will verify the conditions above and issue you a new target.

If you go Missing in Action, I will send you a final PM about it, but regardless, you are out of the game.

I - Quitting

There is no formal way to quit the game. If you no longer wish to play, simply stop playing. Eventually, you'll either get killed or be declared MIA. You'll get a final PM from me telling you what happened, and that'll be the end of it.

J - Fair play

There are several hundred registered users on the forum, of which about one hundred are active enough to have visited us within this past week. Although any forum thread might potentially have an impact on the game, these rules are not intended to discourage you from otherwise participating normally in any discussions you would normally participate in.

Naturally, I won't have any way to know if you abstained from posting something you otherwise wanted to post for fear of losing this.

However, out of the several dozen active posters on the boards, only one of them will be after you. Whatever post you're looking at, chances are that that's not the one.

So, participate normally, like you would, and try to enjoy the ride.

K - Winning

There are two ways to win the game:

- If, at any time after the game starts for you, you are the only agent left alive that isn't Burned, you win immediately.

- There is another way to win, but I won't tell you how that works until it becomes possible.

L - Questions, comments and notifications

PMs to me within the game should always include the prefix [SvS] in the subject line. If they don't, they will have no impact on the game, though I will reply to you and say so. You are then free to re-send the message.

Questions about the game but not necessarily within it should also be made via PM, but in that case, there's no need to worry about the prefix (although it does help me). I will respond to your questions or comments to the best of my ability within the spirit and rules of the experiment.

M - Final note

I say experiment because that's what this game is. I have no idea whether it'll work at all, let alone whether it will be fun. After the experiment has run its course, there will be a public discussion about it. I hope it turns out to be fruitful, but only time will tell.

Good luck. Have fun.

Cheers,
J.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Hey, :)

(you can obviously moderate it if you wanted to anyway Zoogg)

Nope, it's perfect. :) Incomplete, though. Here's the rest of it:

Zooggy said:
ENCRYPTED MESSAGE

Office of Strategic Services
Department of War
United States of America

Office of the Director for Intelligence

Agent ***, we have an important development.

It seems that Agent Orange is still alive and faked his own death. He and a few other rogue OSS and MI6 agents are aware of Agent Zooggy's activities and have been working with German espionage to plant misleading information, in the hopes of trimming down OSS's assets in Europe.

Agent Zooggy has been made aware of these developments, and is taking steps to neutralize them. As such, you are to continue to follow his directives.

Additionally, however, we have reason to believe that one of these rogue agents has learned your identity and is attempting to eliminate you. You should make an effort to identify and pursue this agent, and if possible, eliminate him or her.

As usual, watch your back, out there.

That is all. Good luck.

Brigadier General John Magruder

--//--

Hey, there, :)

The game is down to three players, which means that the next elimination would create a "duel" situation.

As such, there is now a new rule:

N - Watching your back

Once every twenty hours, you may send me a message with the subject [SvS] Watching: <forum ID>.

If that forum ID corresponds to the player that is after you, I'll respond with an appropriate message within twenty-four to fourty-eight hours. If it's not, I won't say anything.

Any message sent within twenty hours of the previous one will be silently ignored.

If you guess the identity of the other player correctly, that player becomes a second target for you. You can eliminate your targets in any order.

Victory conditions will actually remain the same. The last unburned player alive wins the game.

Good luck. (Continue to) have fun. :)

Cheers,
J.

Cheers,
J.
 

VibroAxe

Junior Administrator
This looked pretty fun and if I'd have mOre time I would have played. Is this based on Assasins by any chance, seems a similar concept...
 
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