Iraq just got a lot worse

[Pubic_Warrior]

What does the British Army specialise in? Peacekeeping

no, dont be so stupid, what is any army trained to do?, shoot the shit out of anything that proposes a threat to them. thats what a soldier is trained to do and that is any person in the army, everybody does the same basic training and then goes on to do whatever i.e engineer, vet, chef.
i have started the selection process for the army i am just waiting for a phone call and already they have taught me that you are a soldier first and whatever second. you all keep talking about human rights towards prisonors but what happens to our soliders human rights, they get the shit kicked out of them and then be-headed on live TV, they also be-head innocent people for no reason (ken bigly), so how can you say our soldiers are in the wrong when the opposition are twisted little bastards like that.

 

[BiG D]

Because if you start doing the same thing you are no different from the opposition.

And I'll ask you to have a read over the Soap Box rules, and refrain from namecalling...

 

[Cpt.Spazmo]

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

F.N.

 

[Pubic_Warrior]

sorry BiG D i forgot you get offended over nothing

 

[Macca]

Pubic Warrior many of your comments are inappropriate and seem to flaming the thread slightly. Please refrain from making comments unless there relavant.

 

[Pubic_Warrior]

soz

 

[Macca]

It's ok you just need to try word your posts so not to cause offence and try not to swear as much.

 

[Piacular]

Just like Macca needs to work on his grammar .

Everyone makes mistakes, that's why they put erasers on pencils .

 

[Macca]

Just like Macca needs to work on his grammar .
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Yup I second that. I hate English though it's the worst subject ever! I'm more of a science guy . "Bill Nie the Science Guy"

 

[Taffy]

If I was mortared (note correct spelling ) I would want the people responsible to be punished. Obviously, politics wouldn't force punishment as it would be seen as bad politics, losing them precious votes. So, what do you do? Let the guys responsible for maybe killing your best friend get away with it? No, your angry, so you exact punishment yourself. In my opinion, this is entirely reasonable. I can't see what the problem is with it. Maybe they went a bit too far, but at the end of the day thats just 'one of those things'.

 

[Taffy]

no, dont be so stupid, what is any army trained to do?, shoot the shit out of anything that proposes a threat to them.

Thats entirely wrong. A lot of an Army Officers training goes into how to keep the peace. They learn as much about diplomacy as they do about tactics. What your saying is that an Army is there to kill. In todays world, thats just plainly incorrect. And ridiculous. Maybe in the World Wars this was true, but not today. Armies are there for peacekeeping as much as they are there for waging War.

 

[Taffy]

You all keep talking about human rights towards prisonors but what happens to our soliders human rights, they get the shit kicked out of them and then be-headed on live TV, they also be-head innocent people for no reason (ken bigly), so how can you say our soldiers are in the wrong when the opposition are twisted little bastards like that.

Your right in essence, but please remember that you can't say that all of the enemy are 'twisted little bastards'. It isn't fair. But I agree with your point on the 'rights' issue.

 

[Fi$hy]

what is any army trained to do?, shoot the shit out of anything that proposes a threat to them.

Actually technically no, you'll probably find the orders are to remove the threat peacefully if possible.

As for killing morter crews.

If you come across a morter crew manning said morter, then fine you're being shot at, shoot back. If however the morter crew has surrended even after killing your friends, then under the rules of engagement your duty is to capture and refer them to the correct people.

A soldier's job is not to punish, if you beat the hell out of a prisoner that's surrended, it's exactly the same as beating a civilian... Punishable by jail time.

As for "but the opposition doesn't do the same" that's no excuse for not showing mercy towards soldiers that pose no-further threat.

Finally, you'll find some Army personell are banned from serving outside of the U.K, why troops get selected in this way? You just answered yourself

 

[Taffy]

Just to clarify, i'm not condoning the soldiers actions, i'm merely saying that we should forgive them. Heat of the moment, anger and frustration etc. etc.

 

[BiG D]

If we let them off, we have to let off everyone else who's ever commited a crime 'in the heat of the moment.' :s

 

[DocBot]

So, what do you do? Let the guys responsible for maybe killing your best friend get away with it? No, your angry, so you exact punishment yourself. In my opinion, this is entirely reasonable.

well, if they're shooting mortars at you as "punishment" for invading their country, then? in that case it's _you_ who's being "rightfully" punished.

right?

 

[Gopha]

probably, but u must not forget, they behead people, we shouldnt do the same, thats what makes us better people, otherwise if we did the same then they have the right ot invade Britain

 

[Taffy]

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.as...ortlive&ks=0&mc=5&ml=ma&lc=en&ae=windows-1252

Civil War seems unavoidable after all.

 

[Gibsonfire]

As for "but the opposition doesn't do the same" that's no excuse for not showing mercy towards soldiers that pose no-further threat.

I agree, did anyone remember that incident that happened a while back where two insurgent snipers filmed themselves shooting an American Medic in Baghdad? Well lucky it hit his kevlar flak jacket and he got himself under cover. When the snipers saw this they made a run for it, however the medic who was shot and his squad captured them. Immediatly after catching them the medic treated the wounds of the insurgent who shot him and later transfered him. That just shows that soldiers are not just there to kill and nothing else.

Source (Iraq sniper video)

 

[Gibsonfire]

The problem people seem to have, is that we're not fighting a war. In my opinion the last "conventional" good vs bad war was WW2.

Since when has war ever been good versus Bad? In reality its the leaders of the armies who are the 'bad' or 'good' guys.