Just incase you hear any "ninja" stories

[lawn]

Last night I won a rather nice shield off the last boss in a 25 man Naxx pug. Unfortunately the person that lost the roll to me was a little less than gracious.

His point of view is the fact that I dc'd in phase one of the fight and promptly died as soon as I came back online so spent the entire time on the floor not doing anything apart from DC'ing more and shouldn't have been allowd to roll.

He fails to consider the fact I was there for the first 2 wipes and still put the same time in as everyone else. The raid leader felt the same way as me and promptly gave me the shield.

Hopefully he will man up and let this matter go but just incase I would appreciate some support from the guild in defending my good name.

Seriously doubt im going to try raiding again until I get home and back on a propper internet connection. Only 3 weeks togo

 

[Leiz]

Hah. Well some people are plainly loot whores and will do -everything- to get the piece of loot they want. And what's the name of the guy so I can avoid him? I hate such behavior.

 

[Ashya]

I KNEWS IT!!11!!!111!!!oneoneone!

LAWN R NINJA!

Hide ur purplz!

 

[Rai]

I KNEWS IT!!11!!!111!!!oneoneone!

LAWN R NINJA!

Hide ur purplz!

PUT YPOUR PRURPLZ IN ZE GBANK!.. oh...

 

[Zooggy]

Ahoy,

Heh! Thanks for the heads up.

I never understood the heavier cases of purple fever. I mean, I like good equips as much as the nice guy, but this "all epix muzt be mine" attitude confounds me...

Cheers,
J.

 

[Chumpo]

So the long and short of it is:

Your a ninja right?

Baldi.

 

[lawn]

Yes, yes, fine - I R NINJA.

Lock your doors and bolt you windows cause I is coming to loot, pillage and ravage your women. Anything purple and shiny will be mine... do you not hear ..."I NEED" that purple.

GIMME EPIXXX!!!!

 

[Nero3]

The circumstance under which u took the shield, I seen the whole fight. You were offline for all 3 attempts, and were constantly dc'ing the night before, hardly deserving of the loot. The person you won the shield off was there for every boss, online and yes you were in the raid group but as you took no viable part in the raid I really do not see how anyone could defend the offliner who just happens to be online for the looting? The AFK whore in battlegrounds, Does anyone defend him?

BTW the person you won the shield off you know her and I think by me posting you all know her

Just my 2 cents, (not part of fights there for looting... undeserving) Not really loot whoring on the other person's behalf, tbh being solely online for looting is more loot whoreing imo and prob in most others but I know 100% of people posting after me from The Haven will support a guildie its how guildies roll

 

[thatbloke]

And being present for other fights also has no merit?

Let's reverse the roles here, and say that you were in Lawn's position, disconnecting all the time through no fault of your own and he was in the fight, you both roll and you win, even though you were offline for most of the fight.

Would you give up that item?

Not a fucking chance.

 

[Nero3]

Ok being present?

Was he?

A whole raid of disconnects? little or no contribution, might as well have 24 people?

And as regards the epic I really not saying give it back, i'm simply puttin my opinion of, "He didn't even deserve to be included in the looting" and that also imo "Loot whoreing, surely being offline for everything but loot is more of a crime than wanting the loot itself" ... not one person can say there are epix they dont want or didnt, yeah ofc the raids are fun to do but we all want to get better gear we all want epix.

But don't worry about it, I didn't expect anyone to not support him Just giving my 2 cents.

 

[Tingham]

Lawn is one of the most trusted and respected members of a trusted and respected guild.
In the time I have seen him , he has does nothing but contribute well and done everything he can to help people.

His DC's were definately not deliberate. We can say that much for certain.

As Q-man said, if you reverse the roles I doubt very much you would have given the shield up. If you would have done, then stop complaining.

If you have an actual complaint, then lodge it with one of our officers. If you dont, then kindly keep your nose out.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Zooggy]

Ahey,

Ok, so, what we have here is a case of mismatched perceptions.

I was there for the first 2 wipes

You were offline for all 3 attempts

At least one of these is wrong.

Unfortunately the person that lost the roll to me was a little less than gracious.

During the raid, maybe. I can see how that can happen. I doubt there'll be much fuss and persecution, though. These are cool people were talking about.

Speaking from a personal point of view, if I had been the raid leader at the time, I probably would have let you roll as well. Not letting you roll because you didn't "contribute" can be stretched quite far in the wrong direction. Me, I'd rather not go into judgements like that and just let the game decide. If, as a loot master, I can give the item to you, then you were there.

And being present for other fights also has no merit?

Not really, no, and to be honest, neither does being there for previous wipes. Then again, "merit" is really the wrong criteria to be applying here, imo.

I didn't expect anyone to not support him

1) Self-putdowns or defeatist expectations like that really bring nothing new to the table. By all means, let's debate the issue at hand, but don't worry about speculating about what other people will think.

2) In any case, you underestimate me, man. You should know by now that I have a tendency to look at both sides of the equation, when I have the data. I'll admit that when I first read about this, I thought the other person was a noobish 14-year-old, not an ex-Havener and fellow THNer. Now I know.

Still, my opinion is the same. "Contributing" and "merit" should not be factors. The borderline cases are too much of a can of worms. Objective criteria, like whether the game will let you have the item, and whether you roll higher or lower, that's what counts.

At most, you might think he was being offline on purpose, but I trust you don't believe that.

Cheers,
J.

 

[Nero3]

If you have an actual complaint, then lodge it with one of our officers. If you dont, then kindly keep your nose out.

And you wonder why I didn't poke an officer. With comments like that hardly even worth the whisper....

As for Zooggy, Yes I do know you look at both sides which is why I read your comment twice before writing this reply, and yes I do see what your saying, as a Loot Master if he on your list he was present "but only for the pull" but however, whats done is done and that was my input, and regarding any comments about the shield what Seanie said was simply

"He wins loot, and he wasn't even here"

There is nothing snide about this so making this post was very defenseive of Lawn, so he must feel a little bit in the wrong, otherwise he would have said nothing. I don't make a forum post everytime I win loot

 

[Chumpo]

Whats done is done.

And for the record, im of the "Cry me a river" school of thought on these matters.

Shit happens, somebody won an item in a computer game (!) .

I cant carry on anymore! I cant live this way!!!!

I think you get my point Lets stop crying an play.

 

[Zooggy]

Ahey,

Mismatched perceptions once again, I venture:

the person that lost the roll to me was a little less than gracious.

Seanie said [...] simply

"He wins loot, and he wasn't even here"

There is nothing snide about this

Fair enough.

making this post was very defenseive of Lawn, so he must feel a little bit in the wrong, otherwise he would have said nothing.

Probably not. More likely, he himself was very frustrated at all the disconnects and may have overreacted to a comment that was probably meant to be a simple poke.

In any case, thought Baldi's sarcasm is perhaps a tad misplaced (and I can say this because he knows I love him ), his point is rather valid. There will be other raids and there will be other drops.

I would like to thank Lawn for the heads-up and Nero for presenting the other side. If nothing else, it was instructive. For me, at least.

Cheers,
J.

 

[T-Bone]

Not to sound like a dick dragging up the past here but Im preety sure you were offline for a lot of Hyjal once and then something dropped for us and you won it even though you werent there. I think it was you but it may have been nactall

Anyone, really, it's only an item and if its really that big a deal then I think perhaps taking a break from the game is in order to set perspective.

However, I suppose the blame (If there is any) goes to the raid leader and I suppose it him that it should be brought up with.

For the record I dont beleieve that someone who DCs shouldnt be eligible for loot, we've all done it during a fight...some of us still manage to tank a raid boss while doing it but thats a different story for a diferent day.

I don't want there to be any ostility here. I dont think Lawn was wrong for taking the item, I dont think Mrs. Potato is wrong for wanting it to. I suppose at the end of the day it's all down to the roll of the bones and on this day, Lawn came out on top.

 

[Belegon]

If you are part of a raid group and DC lots, its hardly your fault.

Imo, if your part of the group, you have rights to loot - regardless.

People Roll, coz its Random, you don't no who will win - its fair.

If people can't handle the nature of random, i suggest you use DKP, piss off and die in a fire (in all best possible taste ofc )

 

[Jayde]

Imo, if your part of the group, you have rights to loot - regardless.

What he said. As long as he's in the raid, he rolls. If it was anyone's fault it was the raid leader's for not replacing him. Simple really.

 

[Iilyas]

ok ok people just heard that there was actually a post about this pmsl, lawn tbh i think posting a topic about this on your guilds forums in defence of yourself is a bit saying to me that you know you were in the wrong.. but ok ima forget about it but i will never raid with you again.

Looking at this from my point of view, we started the naxx 25 on the friday night, I put so much effort in and was top of the healing meter the whole night where as Lawn was actually "removed from the raid" due to his bad lag and DC's lol...however we continued the last 2 bosses on the saturday night.. in which lawn was once again in the raid..however he wasnt really there i tink he dc'd at the start of every boss fight and came on when they finished >.< , he did nothing in the whole raid let alone i dont think he even made it on to the dmg metre rofl^^..anyways i vouched for lawn as i had a good opinion of him from my haven days^^ as the people in the raid wernt even going to bring him again when it came to KT..lawn once again dc'd the whole fight and came on just as loot was being dished out..i rolled 92 he rolled 93 on the shield and i commented that its unfair he should get it as he wasnt even here on either night where as i on the other hand has slugged myself and worked hard for both nights to get that shield..but now i see being the man that lawn is..he wouldnt stick up and pass on it..I know people may disagree with me here but then u obviously dont know me but if the rolls where turned..i would either have dropped out of the raid previosuly on or on the other hand passed the shield since i know i didnt contribute a single bit to get the raid there in first place..belive me or dont..anways..end of it. I got in contact with a member of haven im friends with and was told to go to an officer about it..however im glad i didnt seeing the response nero recieved off ur so called "officers"..tbh i beginning to believe everything i hear off members of your guild bout it lately^^ anyways gl

 

[Nero3]

Ok I think was blown out of proportion a bit end of day yea it is only loot and would never had been mentioned had this post not been started but hey its a forum all kinds of ill shit happens, but anyway I do agree with you, Raid Leader is completely at fault, but a bit of common decency would have let him pass since he contributed nothing But look at it like this:

You are in a PUG an item drops You want it, you dont really care about anyone else, heck its a pug. You will say a little comment like that to chance your arm anyone would its a PUG But a simple comment like he wasnt even here and he won Blown out of proportion like this meh whats done is done now lets get back getting it to drop again.

Bb for now,

Nero

(oh and for the record, must've been Nactall, was in Hyjal once with you guys when we got to 2nd boss and struggled )