thatbloke
Junior Administrator
This video is currently linked on the front page of Ctrl+Alt+Del.
I watched it and was like "wow."
You will be too.
I watched it and was like "wow."
You will be too.
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed Technology Video
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VibroAxe
Junior Administrator
I've been watching SW:TFU for quite a while now and am in great anticipation of it's impending release. However, one big question still remains unanswered for me, which console to buy it on. I am lucky enough to have an X360 and a wii, and i'm just not sure which to get it for,
The wii offers the incredible lightsaber style action which i've always dreamed of for it, but at the same time, the trailers for this look soo damn pretty I wonder if the wii will be able to do it justice, or if it might not be one hulluva lot prettier on the 360
So what do people think?
The wii offers the incredible lightsaber style action which i've always dreamed of for it, but at the same time, the trailers for this look soo damn pretty I wonder if the wii will be able to do it justice, or if it might not be one hulluva lot prettier on the 360
So what do people think?
Tetsuo_Shima
In Cryo Sleep
I think it looks brilliant, but here's hoping that the gameplay itself is decent and that it doesn't go the way of the Mass Effect and chug every two seconds. I'd rather have an enjoyable, playable game than a visual eyestorm slideshow.
Whilst we're on the subject of Star Wars, I wish a new Star Wars Ep. 1 Racer game would come out. I loved the first game, I'd buy a new one even if it was no more than a prettier remake of the first.
Whilst we're on the subject of Star Wars, I wish a new Star Wars Ep. 1 Racer game would come out. I loved the first game, I'd buy a new one even if it was no more than a prettier remake of the first.
Interesting they aint releasing it on PC. I am actually not surprised by that. I heard that game developers find producing PC versions of games is not a very financially efficient process.
As
a) PC games cost less
b) More complex to produce due to hardware compatiblity issues
c) Will certainly need patches
With consoles going HD and with online gaming they have fast became an attractive option. I do wonder if this is the start of the demise of the PC games market.
As
a) PC games cost less
b) More complex to produce due to hardware compatiblity issues
c) Will certainly need patches
With consoles going HD and with online gaming they have fast became an attractive option. I do wonder if this is the start of the demise of the PC games market.
That describes every current gen platform, save for maybe the Wii.
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elDiablo
Guest
a) Depends on how you look at it. Console games HAVE to go through a long, and not cheap certification process (yes, all console games do) to ensure they don't make the console look bad by crashing, corrupting data, having large memory leaks, letting people install third party software, etc. Then, if the games are released via a boxed CD/DVD/whatever version, the console company usually charges the game developer a price per unit production to give them that "official" seal of approval, that all console games need (thanks to the console company demanding it), which is, granted, only a few pounds (like, £3 maybe?) per unit, but if you buy 100,000 units and only sell 10,000, you're gonna be up poop river without an oar, so to speak!
b) Yes. Damn PCs
c) As said, Xbox and PS3 games also need patching.
And as Nanor said, there is still a large market for PC gaming, which console gaming just hasn't got the hang on yet. And I'm not just talking about MMOs!
I can't see pro FPS players moving to consoles any time soon. Joypad < keyboard and mouse when it comes to rapid, accurate aiming.
What a shame they don't feel that way about making the PC look bad!
AcidK
New Member
PC's were not originally intended as a gaming media where as that is a console's sole intended purpose. Sure, PC games are in an all-out boom but ever since the PS2 was released, console games were generally seen as better than PC games by a long shot (at the time).
PC's made a small come-back to this as FPS games are far better played on PC's than consoles (unless you're a hardcore Halo fan and have no real brain). However with the nextgen consoles now all released it will be at least another 2 years before PC games would be able to catch up and become equal rivals to the console games (compatability, memory and considering most PC's owned these days are substandard in comparison).
PS3 and Xbox 360 games do need patching, hell I recently downloaded a new patch for Assassin's Creed to stop it freezing randomly during load screens (a game code issue, apparently). Generally speaking, console games would need patching more than PC games to maintain their outlook for the consoles they are on.
MMO's have gone to the console market already if you include FFXI (Final Fantasy Online) althoyugh not with much success. In this veiw, PC's have always maintained the majority market with World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, etc.
PC's made a small come-back to this as FPS games are far better played on PC's than consoles (unless you're a hardcore Halo fan and have no real brain). However with the nextgen consoles now all released it will be at least another 2 years before PC games would be able to catch up and become equal rivals to the console games (compatability, memory and considering most PC's owned these days are substandard in comparison).
PS3 and Xbox 360 games do need patching, hell I recently downloaded a new patch for Assassin's Creed to stop it freezing randomly during load screens (a game code issue, apparently). Generally speaking, console games would need patching more than PC games to maintain their outlook for the consoles they are on.
MMO's have gone to the console market already if you include FFXI (Final Fantasy Online) althoyugh not with much success. In this veiw, PC's have always maintained the majority market with World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, etc.
This is an interesting statement, was talking to a work colleague about it today actually. Since PS3's are all built equally, does this mean that patches are more likely to solve issues rather than create new ones as you often get with PC?
Also, are console developers going to end up having the PC developers attitude of "yeah, it's nearly finished, just release the game, any probs we can always patch it"?
and with 3rd party bits of software, downloading demos...and whatever else, is it possible that PS3's are going to become a target for viruses?
Finally, is it going to be essential to backup a PS3 Hard disk? Does backup PS3 sofware exist? Can you use a normal external HDD? What type of OS does the PS3 already have?
Oh my god, just released I know very little!!
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elDiablo
Guest
Well, it would be pretty much impossible to do for the PC, unfortunately
Due to the hardware combinations. It is a shame, yes, but it's unavoidable at the moment.
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
the PS3 has an in-built web browser. Whether or not it is custom or it is based on some other browser (Opera perhaps?) I do not know... but I think that the threat of viruses/exploits/spyware is why there is no browser for the xbox360 - being a microsoft product, it would naturally be based on Internet Explorer, which, I am afraid to say, is the main target for all kinds of spyware. It would be interesting to see just how far spyware that is already in the field could get on the 360's OS - I would assume it has most of its roots in windows, and alot of people know alot of things about how to exploit windows.
Also with the PS3 you have an option in there to turn it into a Linux workstation - you can install another operating system onto your ps3, which also makes it damned handy for things like research purposes, since it is much more powerful than a PC of the same price.
I do not know if this process is reversible in any way though...
Also with the PS3 you have an option in there to turn it into a Linux workstation - you can install another operating system onto your ps3, which also makes it damned handy for things like research purposes, since it is much more powerful than a PC of the same price.
I do not know if this process is reversible in any way though...
AcidK
New Member
So many questions it hurts my head... Okay, in order:
1. Generally new patches for PS3 games are rare and usually downloaded via the system update (PS3 adds new tools to it's UI virtually every week). These patches have sorted out various mini-bugs found in some games and, as I can see, no new problems have arrized.
2. Only if they're ran, headed, in conjunction with or even associated with EA Games (Prime Culprits)
3. It is possible, but any real user of the PS3 interface would use a router or hardware equivilent with a virus firewall to stop such intrusions (Netgear, for example, has an in-built virus firewall that allows anything other than known viruses through.) With the rise of 3rd party modifications it is highly likely that viruses could appear, but unlikely to make an effect (PS3 O/S is very different to Windows, for example, so viruses need to adapt before they can infect)
4. PS3 has it's own developed operating system that runs from the console itself rather than the harddrive that has been placed inside. It is possible to remove and replace the harddrive for another, any media compatable for the PS3 such as music (mp3 mainly), video (mpeg-4, mkv, etc) and pictures (jpg and gif, bitmap is a microsoft thing so doesn't work) that is already on the harddrive will be picked up by the PS3 and usable with.
The PS3's controls are wireless and charged up via USB cables (you can charge them into the PS3 or even use a PC to do it) and you can use these USB drives (4 on the front) to connect other devices such as USB keyboards/mouse (logitech have made a special wireless mouse and keyboard for PS3 usage) and external harddrives. Again, if the content is compatible with the PS3 it will easily pick them up. I watch my anime mkv files with my PS3 at times because it uses its internal HD software to increase the quality of the images.
waterproofbob
Junior Administrator
This very much depends what you are throwing at it, it has little RAM and due to the nature of the cores It's not that great tbh. For £330 you could build a number crunching rig based on a q6600 that if you want to sit as a linux box just bashing numbers would outshine the PS3.
I know you can also play games on the PS3 ( not that there are any good ones out yet) but just thought I'd make the point.
tbh I wouldn't want to see this on PC, it's the kinda game that will work well on the sexbox and the wii so hazaa for them.
And in my opinion although PCs may not have been originally made to have games run on them, they are now. I don't want to make this a console-PC debate as we all know PCs win by miles (jokes please don't make me regret writing that). Yus good gaming PCs are more expensive, you are looking at about £650 for a good 8800 based build these days, but this is much more reasonable than it has been in the past. The reason it's more expensive is cos it looks so much purdier.
I really enjoyed the Custom PC console versus PCs in the latest issue. It was a smidgy bit biased but it did raise some interesting points.
Also long live the big black paper weights
This is absolutely brilliant that I am getting all the information I wish without the hassle of searching the net, makes me realise the benefits of being part of a friendly games community.
AcidK thanks for answering all my questions. It almost looks like the PS3 is essentially a more stable/reliable gaming PC currently with no threat from viruses and small bugs fixed with automated patches just like in steam.
This statement from waterproofbob led me to look for the system specs of the PS3.
The information on this website gives the spec of all the current new generation consoles.
http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecs.php
Notice the PS3 has 256Mb memory, but look at the speed it operates at....3200Mhz. That is about 4 times faster than PC memory. So is this maybe the reason it has relatively small amount memory because it operates so quickly?
Also the PS3 has 7 cores in the 3.2GHz cell processor. At the moment PC games at most utilise 2 cores. Is this perhaps another reason the memory of the PS3 is relatively low because so many processes get carried out per unit time that there is rarely any need to hold a substantial amount of information/data in the main memory?
Please continue to debate/discuss...
AcidK thanks for answering all my questions. It almost looks like the PS3 is essentially a more stable/reliable gaming PC currently with no threat from viruses and small bugs fixed with automated patches just like in steam.
This statement from waterproofbob led me to look for the system specs of the PS3.
The information on this website gives the spec of all the current new generation consoles.
http://wars.locopuyo.com/cwsystemspecs.php
Notice the PS3 has 256Mb memory, but look at the speed it operates at....3200Mhz. That is about 4 times faster than PC memory. So is this maybe the reason it has relatively small amount memory because it operates so quickly?
Also the PS3 has 7 cores in the 3.2GHz cell processor. At the moment PC games at most utilise 2 cores. Is this perhaps another reason the memory of the PS3 is relatively low because so many processes get carried out per unit time that there is rarely any need to hold a substantial amount of information/data in the main memory?
Please continue to debate/discuss...