Nanor
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Or it's pretty cheap off steam.
The Great THN Campaign
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Or it's pretty cheap off steam.
Cynic-Al
In Cryo Sleep
I was thinking I might just pick it up with the first two expansion packs, I seem to remember having seen all three available for about £10 at most, though was disappointed to find that my laptop is probably a bit too crap to play the latest expansion. I need an upgrade at some point soon.
Cookalarcha
Member
Hope not! the origanal has too many fiddly problems... Im hoping at least Dark crusade. But hope its soulstorm
...Still CoH ftw tho
waterproofbob
Junior Administrator
DoW is like the weak younger bro of CoH.
Nanor
Well-Known Member
DoW is good in the sense if I send a unit that does 2 and has 20 HP against a unit that does 1 damage and has 20HP the former is going to win.
In CoH anything can happen. A rifleman squad could take down a tank. A puma could take down hundreds of infantry men in one shot (Slight over exaggeration).
DoW requires skill more than luck whereas in CoH it requires a considerable amount more luck.
In CoH anything can happen. A rifleman squad could take down a tank. A puma could take down hundreds of infantry men in one shot (Slight over exaggeration).
DoW requires skill more than luck whereas in CoH it requires a considerable amount more luck.
waterproofbob
Junior Administrator
DoW is good in the sense if I send a unit that does 2 and has 20 HP against a unit that does 1 damage and has 20HP the former is going to win.
In CoH anything can happen. A rifleman squad could take down a tank. A puma could take down hundreds of infantry men in one shot (Slight over exaggeration).
DoW requires skill more than luck whereas in CoH it requires a considerable amount more luck.
Nah all DoW needs is a knowledge of how to get the fastest annoying unit as quickly as possible. Never seen the attraction my self. Seems far more of a poor mans CoH for my taste. In CoH as you say it's not just this does this damage and can take this, which is much better imo. Yes one man can take down a tank if they get lucky. Played DoW a few times and all I got was a distinct sense of MEH!
DoW hails back to an older era of RTS that was as much about incredible management of one's economy as it was about fighting battles. Thinking back to games such as Age of Empires and Starcraft, the speed one has to act with requires intimate knowledge of all keyboard shortcuts, shaving valuable seconds off production and queuing times. Then further intimate knowledge of exactly how many Zerglings are required to overrun a bunker with four marines or, better, the exact sequence of events required to get Guardians in play at maximum speed.
The problem with this, I find, is that it creates an impassable barrier between the new "for fun" players and the old hardcore players. The hardcore players can wipe the floor with new players because they roll out one of the basic rush or boom strategies and their victory is inevitable. It takes a hardcore player to beat a hardcore player.
I guess that CoH, really, is no different. If you don't know you need building A, B and C within the first two minutes then you'll always be on the back foot. However, CoH rewards focusing on a specific unit, micromanaging them into the fray in the most efficient way possible. That, CoH learned (partly) from DoW. Unit powers are powerful.
Thing is, for the hardcore player, they're just another thing to micromanage and so they get really really really good at switching between things at insane speeds.
RTS games are, at one level, a matter of whether you can keep up with the pace of the game.
DoW has three distinct phases. Infantry, then Armour, then Super Weapons. If you're not escalating to the next phase when your opponent is escalating then you're screwed. IIRC, that's around 8-10 minutes in for Infantry to Armour, then around 20-25 minutes in for Armour to Super Weapons. You can hold off the basic armour with upgraded anti-armour infantry but that's only if you're biding your time to get the better armour sooner. Infantry, ultimately, will loose.
That, I guess, is where CoH is stronger. Infantry remain somewhat useful through the game, though there is still the same three phase escalation present.
So, I guess, the "get the fastest annoying unit as quickly as possible" is actually the point of RTS games. And there you thought they were about tactics or something...
The problem with this, I find, is that it creates an impassable barrier between the new "for fun" players and the old hardcore players. The hardcore players can wipe the floor with new players because they roll out one of the basic rush or boom strategies and their victory is inevitable. It takes a hardcore player to beat a hardcore player.
I guess that CoH, really, is no different. If you don't know you need building A, B and C within the first two minutes then you'll always be on the back foot. However, CoH rewards focusing on a specific unit, micromanaging them into the fray in the most efficient way possible. That, CoH learned (partly) from DoW. Unit powers are powerful.
Thing is, for the hardcore player, they're just another thing to micromanage and so they get really really really good at switching between things at insane speeds.
RTS games are, at one level, a matter of whether you can keep up with the pace of the game.
DoW has three distinct phases. Infantry, then Armour, then Super Weapons. If you're not escalating to the next phase when your opponent is escalating then you're screwed. IIRC, that's around 8-10 minutes in for Infantry to Armour, then around 20-25 minutes in for Armour to Super Weapons. You can hold off the basic armour with upgraded anti-armour infantry but that's only if you're biding your time to get the better armour sooner. Infantry, ultimately, will loose.
That, I guess, is where CoH is stronger. Infantry remain somewhat useful through the game, though there is still the same three phase escalation present.
So, I guess, the "get the fastest annoying unit as quickly as possible" is actually the point of RTS games. And there you thought they were about tactics or something...
Ki!ler-Mk1
Active Member
What about Open TTD, as a game?
Team A "i want Zone X7"
Team B "Ah ha you'll have to beat my orks"
Team C "If you want zone X9 i have romans on it!"
Normally i would agree with you completely, exept that starcraft is extremely balanced, and while masses of 1 single unit type is enevitably the endgame, everything has a weakness(exept the fabled zergling).
Team A "i want Zone X7"
Team B "Ah ha you'll have to beat my orks"
Team C "If you want zone X9 i have romans on it!"
So, I guess, the "get the fastest annoying unit as quickly as possible" is actually the point of RTS games. And there you thought they were about tactics or something...
Normally i would agree with you completely, exept that starcraft is extremely balanced, and while masses of 1 single unit type is enevitably the endgame, everything has a weakness(exept the fabled zergling).
Nanor
Well-Known Member
What about Open TTD, as a game?
I can hear Trax and BiG D drooling already.
waterproofbob
Junior Administrator
I completely agree with Ronin about the hardcore player (or even slightly more experienced player) being king in DoW. I've played both DoW and CoH at uni LANs a few times and CoH always ends up being more fun. I don't know what it is about ppl who play a lot of DoW but they seem less charitable than ppl who play CoH. This is just my experience anyway and it may have just been the 15 or so ppl I've played it against have no idea that ending the game within the first 30 seconds for all but 2 players isn't actually a fun way to play the game. I've never felt particularly in CoH that I was out within the first minute. Except against Pia but then I had already decided I had lost before I started so wasn't quite the same.
Also who cares about either of them, let's get an epic game of AoE2 going and all be happy. Or perhaps a bit of RA2 sans super weapons if at all possible.
Also who cares about either of them, let's get an epic game of AoE2 going and all be happy. Or perhaps a bit of RA2 sans super weapons if at all possible.
VibroAxe
Junior Administrator
Generals, then one armed bandit can play!!!
Angelic
Active Member
Sounds like a fair idea to me, I would sign for DoW and CoH, of which with the first one I have some fair experience and with the second one I have none
There is one thing, though: I currently own neither of above titles. I could, of course, somehow get my hands on the games, but probably more through a way of torrents than way of cash. Would that be a problem? Like, I would that render me unable to play with you, as you would choose stuff like battle.net (I know that's not how CoH and DoW works, but you get the idea)?
Other than that, I would go for it and perhaps even invite off-THN friend
Over and out,
Angi
EDIT: Hohoo, AoE2 would be fun too, I actually have that! Not RA2, but to that same applies as to CoH and DoW. How about Starcraft? xD Just kidding, you pros would flatten me ^^
There is one thing, though: I currently own neither of above titles. I could, of course, somehow get my hands on the games, but probably more through a way of torrents than way of cash. Would that be a problem? Like, I would that render me unable to play with you, as you would choose stuff like battle.net (I know that's not how CoH and DoW works, but you get the idea)?
Other than that, I would go for it and perhaps even invite off-THN friend
Over and out,
Angi
EDIT: Hohoo, AoE2 would be fun too, I actually have that! Not RA2, but to that same applies as to CoH and DoW. How about Starcraft?
xD Just kidding, you pros would flatten me ^^
We buy our games, don't we people.
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
erm... [strike]no[/strike] YES!
Angelic
Active Member
Uh-hu... No comment
I would vouch for hamachi. I could buy CoH and it wouldn't even be too expensive, but honest to God, I'm having enough trouble with my parents for playing and paying for WoW, this might tip them over the thin edge of sanity.
EDIT: I would also come for Trackmania