The THN financial situation

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
If there is a way to set up a Direct Debit

Unfortunately not. We don't have any of the legal status or bank accounts to support that.

Alternatively, you might have meant Standing Order. On that regard, I'm fairly sure we can't receive one but I'd have to check for certain. A PayPal account is not a bank account, unfortunately, so it makes some of these staples unavailable.

In theory, it might be possible to set up a standing order to another member, such as me, who then increased their sub accordingly. However, that's stepping into slightly edgy territory for a public forum and I'm not entirely comfortable with the precedent.
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
I'll do an update on where we've got to in a short while after I've Bob and I have finished decoding who has donated what, in what way, for what period... :)

Again, thank you to everyone who has and is helping out with the costs of keeping THN running!
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
A big thank you to everyone who has helped out so far! We love you! We'll be showing our love before the weekend is out...

However, we want to give an update on where we're up to from the help provided so far.

At this moment we have 15 subscribers (up from 9 earlier today), donating in the following pattern:

  • 5 * £2.50 / month
  • 5 * £5 / month
  • 5 * £10 / month

That makes £87.50 in raw subscription monies, or £81.55 after PayPal have their cut (6.8% loss on the portfolio).

We've also had some generous one-off donations totalling to £45 (spread over 5 individuals). That means that the monies owed to Haven have effectively decreased to £278 (once we've paid him). Good work everyone!

As mentioned, our server costs aren't just the £64.58. We intermittently pay for maintenance for vBulletin[1], we also need to look at saving up for hardware maintenance for Promethius[2], and of course we need to pay off the backlog to Haven.

Haven has requested we clear the backlog in the next 6 months. To do that and keep up with our future server payments, we need to be looking at more like £110.92 (£64.58 + £278/6) in subscription monies (assuming no further donations into the backlog pot).

Also, to build up a notional pot of £600 over the next six months to cover hardware maintenance, we need to add £50 / month to that figure or, more realistically, £30 / month for the first six months, then £70 / month for the second six months. That'd put our donations requirement to more like £140 to sustain ourselves. (If we didn't have any backlog, then that would be more like £115.)

So, we're still a fair way shy of where we need to be to realistically sustain Promethius: at least £33.45 / month and possibly as much as £58.45 / month more than we currently have.

We've done really well today, enough to keep Promethius ticking 'til she needs maintenance, but not yet enough to pay off the backlog or keep her maintained when she reaches end of life.

That said, Bob is going to fire up a raffle (tomorrow, I believe), which should help with the backlog and we're hopeful that a few more of you can help us out with subscriptions. To that end, I'm going to look at some alternative subscriptions that don't turn out to be too much overall but will still help us out (and be more efficient than the 11.4% loss to PayPal on the £2.50 subscriptions).

Footnotes:

[1] We may choose not to keep our vBulletin maintenance up any longer as they've moved off into a new version and we haven't upgraded with them and frankly we've been semi-intermittent on it already and it's not really hurting us. We own our licence so maybe we don't need to worry.

[2] Some parts of Promethius are 7 years old. Newer bits are maybe two years old. Sometime in the next 12 months, Haven will likely need to some serious hardware maintenance, which will likely include swapping the hard drive(s) and so on. All monies, unfortunately.


tl;dr

Thanks and good work all! Really could do with more monies though... At least £33.45 / month. Possibly £58.45 / month more.
 

Traxata

Junior Administrator
We were discussing the promethius upgrade route yesterday on IRC, in short, upgrading prom is more of a last minute resort if she decides to fail on something, otherwise it'll be a case of Prom's replacement (Currently going to be called Project Destiny I think Haven said :p) being fixed up, taken straight to the data centre and swapped over.

There's quite some issue in Prom maintenance as we'll have to get downtime, removal of the box, then someone (without shipping it to NI) would need to perform the upgrades and then take it back to be re-housed... Would probably take a few days at least.
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
We were discussing the promethius upgrade route yesterday on IRC, in short, upgrading prom is more of a last minute resort if she decides to fail on something, otherwise it'll be a case of Prom's replacement (Currently going to be called Project Destiny I think Haven said :p) being fixed up, taken straight to the data centre and swapped over.

There's quite some issue in Prom maintenance as we'll have to get downtime, removal of the box, then someone (without shipping it to NI) would need to perform the upgrades and then take it back to be re-housed... Would probably take a few days at least.

Yup it'll be a wholesale replacement - ideally for a lower power system (with many cores) that will save us money on hosting by using 0.4 Amps (96Watts) if possible. Failing that it'll be the same cost to host a slightly higher power unit unless we find a new hosting provider that is worth using.

Too early to get thinking about this beyond just idle tech curiosity though. Who knows what another year will bring. For now we look like we're getting back on top of funds which is awesome and means we can continue to play/socialise and have fun. Hopefully the behind the scenes tech running all this can become transparent once again.
 

Windzarko

Well-Known Member
We love you! We'll be showing our love before the weekend is out...

Am I the only one a little bit scared by this? :p

In all seriousness, though, I'll try poking a few more WoW peoples and see if we can't find a few more willing individuals with some spare cash who have yet to hear about this.

I've been with THN for, what... four and a half years now? Anyhoo, sorry it took so long for me to give back in some fashion.

Two little questions, though; is my memory failing miserably (wouldn't be the first time) or did the old Black Amber theme we had yonks ago have a sort of "donate here!" section in the top right corner? And would it perhaps be possible to have something like that on the top level of the forums again?

I'll be quite honest and say that I'd totally forgotten about the possibility of donating to THN for a -long- time, but when we had the Black Amber look, it was there as a frequent reminder and temptation (one I would have caved into had my financial situation been a little more stable then... mind you, it's likely even less stable now, but the need's more dire and £2.50 a month will hardly kill me. Way things are going in this country, a single chocolate bar will end up costing more than that soon :p ).

Ramblings over, you may now remove your goggles and hard hats and come out from behind the reinforced glass screen.
 

Ki!ler-Mk1

Active Member
If paypal takes that much, then perhaps you should take as much as possible that would be donations in cash at one of the meets, and then send it to paypal or keep it personally as one lump sum.

When one part in the server fails, does that mean replace the whole thing time, and what will become of the server after its removed?
 

VibroAxe

Junior Administrator
Hey, glad to see we are making progress on this. I think it would be a huge shame to downgrade prom to a VPS. Perhaps we need to make more of the services it could offer. Don't forget people, if you have a game with a server we can run it!
Suggestions to hey admins, there's plently of us with linux know how and prom access who can install and configure them!

Only caveat, is that people use a server, if it falls idle we might shut it down for memory, can always be put up again if it comes back into fasion though!

In other news, i'm switching to a £10 sub from whatever I currently am on as soon as I can work out how :P
 

Silk

Well-Known Member
If there is a way to set up a Direct Debit, I would like to donate £20 a month towards Prom, can't have the girl dieing. :(

This from the guy who moaned about £4 for an extra (empty) seat if we needed it at the last clanbox? :p
 

Silk

Well-Known Member
Have you looked into Xenforo for the forums? It's newer and maybe cheaper. Also shiny.
 

Traxata

Junior Administrator
THN used to be run on PHPBB(v2 I think), though I wasn't here when the choice was made to get onto vBulletin, I think it was a very talked over subject :)
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
There's also that bit about vBulletin taking them to court for IP infringement.

Still, as D says, we're probably good where we are so the current plan doesn't include any monies for vBulletin maintenance fees.
 

magosreborn

New Member
Ok I have donated. For future reference a friendly reminder "Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge" that the server is need of funds before it gets to much would help as shown above ppl have no problem with donating its just we are a absent minded lot that need a gentle reminder every now and then :p.

And an apperance every now and then on TS just to say hi would be appreciated as I know since I have moved away from wow I have not heard the wonderful sound of Havens voice in some time.

*It seems I didn't use the * option for the reacurring sub so will do that next month and create a proper sub. Its way to much to read at this time in the afternoon :p.
 
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