Whats the plan for the future?

Aliella

Member
Problem being that lately, those "high end" people don't want to do Naxx anymore, what we get is "great idea, go do it, I'm logging off now".

Naxx is still not viable for a full group of freshly dinged 80s in blues without some help from the better geared people.

Who do want to do Naxx 10 anymore? Certainly not I, I'm very tried of it! But we have to, or we'll still be stuck as we are forever and will never get to do 25 Ulduar guild runs.

So all I can say is to suck it up and help out if you want more progress. :cool:
 

SwampFae

Super Moderator
Staff member
Who do want to do Naxx 10 anymore? Certainly not I, I'm very tried of it! But we have to, or we'll still be stuck as we are forever and will never get to do 25 Ulduar guild runs.

So all I can say is to suck it up and help out if you want more progress. :cool:

Can I get an amen! ;)
*Choir* Aaaaamen!
 

T-Bone

In Cryo Sleep
OK, time to put a line under this and apologies if this post isn't as articulate as you deserve but this is all spur of the moment stuff I'm typing as I think it.

First of all @ Lawn - I'm sorry you felt you had to leave. I personally am losing a friend and the guild is losing one of it's best players. I hope we can find someone to fill your ample shoes.

Secondly I should mention what is going on with respect to our intentions towars raiding. The first thing is that despite peoples 'evidence' to the contrary in this thread we just simply do not have the people. This is in part due to the nature of people constantly swapping raiding mains and in part due to our recruitment officer not doing their job. We are trying to restructure at the moment and have just promoted two long term players to the rank of officer. Namely Featherwind and Masia for those who did not know. We may also be getting another one or possibly two people to allow us to achieve the structure we had during our golden era of TBC. One of these new people will be taking over the recruitment officer position and now that a lot of us, myself included, no longer have exams we will be able to once again build up the raiding section of the guild. We did have this problem on TBC but it was nowhere near as bad as we didn't have the horrible nothing period before where nothing happened as there was lots of content we havent done. Now the only thing we haven't actually tried is the end of Ulduar. Obviously there is stuff we still haven't done in 25 man mode but the fact still stands that we have one the same fight in ten. I also realise that not everyone has had a chance to experience everything but this is going to be difficult to achieve with only a ten man group going.

This is because Ulduar is fucking tough. If you think that just because you ahve tanked/healed 25 man naxx every week before and assume you can do the same in even ten man ulduar you are mistaken. Even I found this out to my folly. It is true that we need run naxx to gear some people up and it also true that this is crap. Naxx is crap. Running Naxx is crap. Wiping in Naxx is even crapper. However, NEVER assume that if I personally and a number of the other officers dont have anything better to do that we wont help out gearing people up as that is wrong. We did it in Kara for months and we did it in Naxx for a long time as well. I will try to explain what has happened with this so that people understand that it does still happen.

The problem is two fold. One is that myself and Ari have been leading these gear up raids for a while and we looked for some people to help lead them in our absence. This was to a) Give us a bit of a break and b) Build up peoples experience in raid leading. The three people assigned to this were Adriss, Nactall and Tingham. Adriss is not around at the moment and it has only been Tingham running the raids and he will be able to tell you more but virtually no one wants to run naxx so no one signs up and nothing happens. It's not just the officers and the better geared people it is the people who need geared up that are equally to blame. The bottom line here is that people aren't signing up. The rule was that even if you are not coming you sign up and say no. There used to be punishment for not doing this constantly and there will be again. The result is that recently we have had a raid with a total signup number of 4, 3 of whom were a yes.

To summarise we need to be doing 25 man Ulduar again but in order to do that we need to do 25 man Naxx again. However, there is hope. Last week as some have said we got a 25 man VoA that was almost all our guild. This is good progress. That group could easily have cleared a 25 man Naxx run to gear people up but probably would have not been able to do anything past Flame Leviathan in Ulduar. I shall also mention that right now we have about 11 people good enough for ulduar 25 but splitting them into two ten man groups right now will again result in us struggling.

So there is hope but it requires a lot of work from all of you. To that end I will be putting up an event called 25 man raiding for this Friday. If we get enough people we will be doing a 25 man raid. We are not just doing this to punish you or anything stupid like that we are doing it because we have to at the moment. Let us look to the future and anyone who has ideas or friends who would be interested in our raiding then get them in and together we can claim our glory!

-- The Unbreakable One
 

Dr Drae

In Cryo Sleep
Oh, that's something I forgot to add.

I do respect the huge amounts of effort the officers are putting in to help us gear up. Don't get me wrong.
 

Aliella

Member
And my post was aimed pretty much at everyone (myself included, suck it! Oh yeah!)

And also: New hellish 10 man event made since Thing is absent next week.
 

Silk

Well-Known Member
For what it's worth, you mgiht have 2 pallies to help soon(ish) who will gladly tank or heal. Buuut we won't start off with much in the way of gear ;/
 

Thunder

In Cryo Sleep
Who do want to do Naxx 10 anymore? Certainly not I, I'm very tried of it! But we have to, or we'll still be stuck as we are forever and will never get to do 25 Ulduar guild runs.

So all I can say is to suck it up and help out if you want more progress. :cool:

I still love naxx :)
 

Windzarko

Well-Known Member
I still love naxx :)

It's good that some people still like/love the place. I personally have run it -far- too much (remember that it was in the game before Wrath was out, and I'd been in there a good number of times... hell, I remember when Lost or Eternity or whichever guild my old friend Dúranor was in decided to run it, and I had to pay an arm and a leg to quickly attune to join in the fun). Long story short, I know I often seem like I'm not willing to help out, but it's quite the contrary; I do want to help out. Hell, I love helping people out where I can, be it with using my characters' professions to help gear people up, or giving advice on playstyles/gearing/where to find info, and sometimes helping by grouping with people.

I'm reluctant when it comes to Naxx10 because of how much we ran it already, but I will join in when I'm desperately needed, although I have less patience/tolerance for it than I would have for anywhere else. I'm much more ready and willing to help out when it comes to any other raid and most Heroics (apart from Oculus, of course).

Oddly, I still don't mind doing Naxx25 (you'll still hear me moan about Razuvius and the Construct Quarter, but don't mind that :P ), and I hope we can get it going again since some people seem to prefer doing the 25 man version of any given raid over doing the 10 man version, be it for loot reasons or otherwise. If people enjoy, it's great, plus its practice for other 25 man dungeons, and it'll hopefully gear more of our people up for Ulduar. For a good many people, Naxx25 is -not- essential gearing for Ulduar, but it does help a lot.

To reinforce Tbone's points, we might have the numbers to restart our 25-mans (possibly with a little outside assistance; many of you will remember our friends like Basslar, Hubbit, Vaali and Vandiel), but we are a long way off Ulduar 25, or even two Ulduar 10 groups.

We're trying at our end now to set up the 25-mans and get them going again; you guys will need to chip in as well, and not just with signing up and attending. We have many great players in the guild, and many more good players; everyone can improve, and looking into how you can do that counts for as much as (if not more than) gearing your character up with 25-man loot.

Don't be afraid to ask officers or other raiders how you're doing; ask for feedback and constructive criticism, ask for tips, tricks and like... ask for anything. Just be prepared to take it all on board, and don't feel offended or disheartened if you aren't doing your best; almost nobody gets it perfect first time, if ever (hell, I can't even play hunter anymore without getting confused, and I'm still messing up Protadin tanking).

Huzzah, long post is far longer than I intended and likely far more ramble-y than it needs to be, but I hope I got my points across.
 

Enya

Member
I still love naxx :)

I also still like Naxx 10/25. Really looking forward for 25man raids.

I've realized that people do not really fancy Naxx, manly because people done it so many times before. But hopefully we can get some newbies like myself :p or alts to do Naxx in the near future. :)
 
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