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yes well 5.56 is effective up to ranges of 4-500 meters. So yes, you can survive if you get hit from a mile away, which is improbable in itself. But that's like saying you can survive an atom bomb (if you're far enough away)...
 

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Fi$hy said:
Easy that's a bit of an aggressive tone, Lynx's comment was directed to my post, SWITCH TO THREADED :p

But yeah, the 5.56 is a weak round in that it's small and thus lacks stopping power (because it makes a nice wound and goes straight through the target)

The 7.76 or whatever, yes it is a heavier round, makes a bigger inpact and thus has more stopping power (like a shotgun) at the same time, it makes a nastier wound.

The 50. is heavily regulated, as it creates a wound that is largely impossible by a medic to tend, thus Geneva arn't fond of it. (The .50 is an anti vehicle round supposedly)

But yeah, 5.56 lacks power, but at the same time it's lightweight meaning you can carry more.

The 5.56 got introduced after ww2 when commanders found the larger rounds were "too" powerful, and if soldiers used a smaller round they could carry a lot more. If I got stuck in combat, I'd much rather have 200 rounds of 5.56 than 100 of 7...

Finally, a smaller round means a bigger clip. The G3A3 in BF2 fires a bigger round, thus it's magazine is only 20 rounds. There's advantages and disadvantages of all kinds of ammo.

yeah well the ak5 that we use in sweden is a bit like cheating too, the 5.56 rounds tumble on impact, giving a "dumdum" effect...
 
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LynxGB

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Well I am a weak and frail person today so I shall bow my head in shame and go back to being sick in a bucket :P
 
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LynxGB

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ok will do - but a discussion rather than an argument - i cxan't risk losing my rep points :P
 

Pubic_Warrior

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we shall make a thread called the pubic and lynx thread lol, i dont give negative rep as i dont like it wen i get it lol
 

Wraith

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Another reason the 5.56mm round is widely used is also a logistical one. If you shoot and kill an enemy soldier (easier with the larger rounds), all the enemy loses is the training and the cost of the funeral.

However, if you wound the soldier instead, you still put him out of commission for a long time, but you also get the enemy to spend lots of money saving his life. Surgeons, nurses, orderlies, medical wards, supplies (morphine & bandages etc), food while recuperating, and all manner of additional costs all mount up.

It's a cold and inhumane way of looking at things, but in a war, the leaders are often forced to take this viewpoint.

Wraith
 

Pubic_Warrior

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wraith your close but its main use is that when you kill an enemy you take 1 man out of the battle, if you wound 1 you take 2 or 3 men out of the battle (1 is on the ground bleeding and the other 1 or 2 dragging him away)
 

Piacular

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DocBot said:
yeah well the ak5 that we use in sweden is a bit like cheating too, the 5.56 rounds tumble on impact, giving a "dumdum" effect...

The AK5? Is that like a really retro version of the AK47?

You crazy Swedes and your fads :).
 

Wraith

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Pubic_Warior said:
wraith your close but its main use is that when you kill an enemy you take 1 man out of the battle, if you wound 1 you take 2 or 3 men out of the battle (1 is on the ground bleeding and the other 1 or 2 dragging him away)

Fair enough, but what I said still holds true (I just forgot that bit).

Wraith
 

Pubic_Warrior

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special forces teach eachother, we know the SAS are good because we know what they do but we only no names of other special forces, for all we know the israel special forces might be mega 1337 lol

wraith what you said is true but thats why the 5.56 was mainly designed lol, i never said you were wrong unless it looks that way
 

Gopha

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well i think u truely knicked this thread completely, but still, everyone must bow to the sexiness of the French FAMAS, brilliant weapon!
 

Gibsonfire

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Fi$hy said:
Take the Abrams. As the M60 MBT came to the end of it's life the USA needs a replacement MBT. In Europe the Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 are in production, both superior tanks.

Thats not entirely true, the Abrams is supposed to be a very competant tank that is actually superior to the Challenger 2. However Il agree that the Leopard 2 is superior and it is also one of the most widely used tanks in Europe.

And if I had to say the best army, I would say the US for technology, China for man power and overall strength and Germany as best equipped. I personally think that none of the European armies can compare to the superpowers of the US or China as they would as pubic said, be pwned by them, if they were combined however ;) well thats another story..........................
 

gringotsgoblin

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Pubic_Warior said:
wraith your close but its main use is that when you kill an enemy you take 1 man out of the battle, if you wound 1 you take 2 or 3 men out of the battle (1 is on the ground bleeding and the other 1 or 2 dragging him away)

Actually I disagree.

While an injured soldier will be dragged off the battlefield, the 2 men doing this will only be occupied for a few minutes of a battle that could go on for days/weeks/months/years. Ultimately if there aren't medical personel nearby the injured soldier will get pushed to one side and the battle continues.

All wars are economic eventually. The cost of surgery and post-op care for a soldier is very expensive. A lot more so than digging a hole.

So while 2 guys dragging him about a bit will be a factor, I think it's quite minor in the overall scope of a war.
 
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Fi$hy

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Yes but don't forget Pubic want's to be a squadie.

To him, the 2 men off is more important in winning the battle, winning the war comes later :)
 
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