Controlling the christmas No 1
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The message is in the lyrics.
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
Precisely. It's not the fact that Rage have got a no.1, they could have picked a song by, say, Metallica or Limp Bizkit, or Green Day, or ANYONE, it's more the fact that there is a growing number of people in this country that are fed up of being spoon-fed the same old shit each year.
The Xmas no.1 is supposed to be something special, but anyone who has wanted to try anything remotely Christmassy in the Charts around Christmas time for the past 5 years has been trounced all over by the X-Factor winner, regardless of the song that person released. This has let alot of bands, I feel, to not even bother, and a number of songs have been crushed becuase of the weight of X-Factor.
The X-Factor winners are handed this on a plate - if Joe wants to come out next year and make an assault on the Xmas charts with an ORIGINAL song that isn't just riding the wave of a TV Talent show then I have no problem with that.
The Xmas no.1 is supposed to be something special, but anyone who has wanted to try anything remotely Christmassy in the Charts around Christmas time for the past 5 years has been trounced all over by the X-Factor winner, regardless of the song that person released. This has let alot of bands, I feel, to not even bother, and a number of songs have been crushed becuase of the weight of X-Factor.
The X-Factor winners are handed this on a plate - if Joe wants to come out next year and make an assault on the Xmas charts with an ORIGINAL song that isn't just riding the wave of a TV Talent show then I have no problem with that.
Wol
In Cryo Sleep
My 4p....
1) "The Climb" ...... eh? Joe, you haven't climbed anywhere. In a few months youve been fired from a cannon up to a song in the charts just by singing a bit. You havent had to fight your way up there, you've had a fucking helicopter (no, the x-factor is not 'climbing'. Most of them are shite, theres a few that you can actually go 'yea, they could win' so theres not much competition)
2) " I bought the x factor song cos RATM isn't very christmassy"
<code>cat theclimblyrics | grep christmas</code> .... nope. nothing
Thats the equivalent of going "OMG, Dont eat that orange, its not square enough. Eat this grapefruit instead"
3) The lyrics for both songs work:
"Fuck you - I won't do what you tell me" - RATM
"I can almost see it, That dream I'm dreaming but there's a voice inside my head sayin, You'll never reach it" - Joe Mceledererey
Yup, so true. Xmas #1 '09 - you didn't reach it. Sorry!
4) A FUCKING MILEY CYRUS SONG?! WHAT THE FUCK?! *headdesk*
Thats what radio edits are for anyway! If the kids are old enough to buy the explicit version of the single online (e.g. old enough to own a credit card to buy stuff online), then theyre probably old enough to know the word "fuck", and not give a fuck about it. If they've used their parents credit card, then the parents have the responsibility to check what the kid is buying, and to change it to a non-explicit version if they have a problem with it. Any versions that the kids will hear on the radio will be the clean radio edits (unless you're on five live, but I'm not sure that it has a large youth following). If the kids are looking for the song on the internet on spotify / youtube etc, then they will probably be able to find it if they dont have proper content filters on to stop them viewing explicit content, but then again, you can type in a lot of other urls and end up with even worse explicit content (goatse anyone?)
when you consider the other durge in the charts at the moment and some of the fairly explicit things in the lyrics that are allowed to be broadcast, I dont think a bit of swearing is going to worry them really. Enough kids know all the words anyway, so its not going to make much difference imo.
1) "The Climb" ...... eh? Joe, you haven't climbed anywhere. In a few months youve been fired from a cannon up to a song in the charts just by singing a bit. You havent had to fight your way up there, you've had a fucking helicopter (no, the x-factor is not 'climbing'. Most of them are shite, theres a few that you can actually go 'yea, they could win' so theres not much competition)
2) " I bought the x factor song cos RATM isn't very christmassy"
<code>cat theclimblyrics | grep christmas</code> .... nope. nothing
Thats the equivalent of going "OMG, Dont eat that orange, its not square enough. Eat this grapefruit instead"
3) The lyrics for both songs work:
"Fuck you - I won't do what you tell me" - RATM
"I can almost see it, That dream I'm dreaming but there's a voice inside my head sayin, You'll never reach it" - Joe Mceledererey
Yup, so true. Xmas #1 '09 - you didn't reach it. Sorry!
4) A FUCKING MILEY CYRUS SONG?! WHAT THE FUCK?! *headdesk*
Thats what radio edits are for anyway! If the kids are old enough to buy the explicit version of the single online (e.g. old enough to own a credit card to buy stuff online), then theyre probably old enough to know the word "fuck", and not give a fuck about it. If they've used their parents credit card, then the parents have the responsibility to check what the kid is buying, and to change it to a non-explicit version if they have a problem with it. Any versions that the kids will hear on the radio will be the clean radio edits (unless you're on five live, but I'm not sure that it has a large youth following). If the kids are looking for the song on the internet on spotify / youtube etc, then they will probably be able to find it if they dont have proper content filters on to stop them viewing explicit content, but then again, you can type in a lot of other urls and end up with even worse explicit content (goatse anyone?)
when you consider the other durge in the charts at the moment and some of the fairly explicit things in the lyrics that are allowed to be broadcast, I dont think a bit of swearing is going to worry them really. Enough kids know all the words anyway, so its not going to make much difference imo.
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
It's supposed to be something special and earned, not some shite song that's handed to you just because you won a talent show that people buy because of that talent show, that then causes other artists to not even BOTHER releasing a single over Xmas time because they know there's no point
over 500,000 copies of RATM were sold leading up to christmas. Whether anyone on these boards cares or not - plenty of other people do.
for the song to count towards the chart it must have been bought wholesale at 60p/track from the holder, this means itunes is one of the few people not taking a big hit on singles. Amazon etc can only afford to sell songs so cheap as they make up for it with album sales
Wol
In Cryo Sleep
You're talking about *Apple* here. Why can't they afford to sell songs cheap?
They overcharge by a few hundred percent for anything else they sell. Spose you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so theyre going to be stuck in their overinflated ways for a while I guess.
Wonder how many of the 500000 downloads were through amazon.
They overcharge by a few hundred percent for anything else they sell. Spose you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so theyre going to be stuck in their overinflated ways for a while I guess.
Wonder how many of the 500000 downloads were through amazon.
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
How much of this win could be down the price difference between the Rage track (29p) and the Joe McElderberry track? does anyone know how much that cost from the same vendors?
If buying Rage 4 times from Amazon was the same as buying one copy of the Elderberry's track, could the results be skewed in some way?
If buying Rage 4 times from Amazon was the same as buying one copy of the Elderberry's track, could the results be skewed in some way?
Zhinrak
In Cryo Sleep
You know my brother was telling me about this, and tbh its this sounded like the most retarded idea ever.
Yes its nice to see a non christmas song be number 1 during christmas because of how trivialised X-Factor is, but as pointed out Simon Cal and RATM are owned by Sony.
So pretty much everyone has gone out there, thrown money at Sony to buy multiple copies of the same song so a christmas song wouldnt be top? Congrats guys, we get to see RATM as top song this christmas, and Sony has just made an absoloute fortune in sales while numerous people now own serveral useless copies of a song.
i personally fail to see whats been achieved through this. It would be like everyone buying 5 copies of TF2 each just so it becomes top of sales instead of L4D2, you ultimately prove nothing, while the company that owns both gladly rakes in your money.
Yes its nice to see a non christmas song be number 1 during christmas because of how trivialised X-Factor is, but as pointed out Simon Cal and RATM are owned by Sony.
So pretty much everyone has gone out there, thrown money at Sony to buy multiple copies of the same song so a christmas song wouldnt be top? Congrats guys, we get to see RATM as top song this christmas, and Sony has just made an absoloute fortune in sales while numerous people now own serveral useless copies of a song.
i personally fail to see whats been achieved through this. It would be like everyone buying 5 copies of TF2 each just so it becomes top of sales instead of L4D2, you ultimately prove nothing, while the company that owns both gladly rakes in your money.
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
the fact that RATM and Joe Mctwatface have the same record label MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER TO THE POINT OF WHAT WAS ACHIEVED.
The whole point of this endeavour was to stop Cowell from controlling the Number 1 each year with some shite song that was handed to the winner of a talent show and is only bought due to the popularity of the show, not on the merits of the song itself.
The whole point of this endeavour was to stop Cowell from controlling the Number 1 each year with some shite song that was handed to the winner of a talent show and is only bought due to the popularity of the show, not on the merits of the song itself.
Yes, because you all totally bought RATM based on the merits of the song...
