GAME in trouble?

Panda with issues...

Well-Known Member
An interesting point we discussed at work today: how many game stores do you have in your local town (include gamestations this is game group plc we are talking about here)

Ones I know of:
Stevenage:3
Southampton:5? (in the city centre alone)
Maidstone: 3

Southampton down to 2 games and a gamestation from 4 games and a gamestation within 2 minutes walk of each other at peak.

The gamestation may actually also be closed. I walked past it 10 minutes ago and it had a massive 'for lease' sign.

Ludicrous, when 1 would do.
 

Ki!ler-Mk1

Active Member
After the afore mentioned article games shares has now fallen to around 1.5p/share (today's lowest: 0.5p /share) which values the company at around £6million. This from a company which in 2008 was worth just over £1 billion.

I bet a lot of people made a lot of money there today, buying at 0.5p and selling at 1.5 Rofl.
 

Gombol

New Member
Replaced lead figures with cheap plastic ones for an increase in cost to the customer


You mean Resin. The resin models are harder to make (Due to...well..it being Resin. I belive they are mostly made in batches of 1's and 2's, rather then Plastic: Hundreds if not thousands, and Metal: Batches of 10-20 a go.


i cant peddle second hand gamesworkshop stuff, even if its new but not in shrink, i cant use non gw models and i cant mention independent stockists which charge 20% less - whos fault is that gw? That said, they probably sell a large percent of their turnover through companies like wayland games.


You can sell Second Hand stuff, just not for as much (If it's 100% Brand new, you can often sell it on ebay or to other people for a few pound of the sticket price.) You -CAN- use non GW models (You just need to find ones that have the right dimensions, 20mm is basic for Fantasy / 40k, example: avatars of war) and as for the "can't mention independent stockists"? You can. They even advertise all the independant stockists in their magazine (White Dwarf) and I belive on their website too. They advertise them, they go "This place is good!" They just don't go "Buy from this place. It's cheaper.". An excellent example of this is: http://www.waylandgames.co.uk . Games Workshop HQ (Warhammer World.) even SUPPORTS this website, and it's cheaper. (Vampire Counts: Blood Knights for example on the GW site are about £62, on waylandgames.co.uk they are £52.)


And for those who don't know me, I signed up a while ago to apply to the guild, but decided against it, now I just come on randomly to see if people have uncovered any decent news. (One of the few forums that accually bother posting real news, instead of their opinions and link the article in question.)
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
On the "can't mention independent stockists" point - if you try and do so in-store, perhaps while playing a battle or whatever, you are asked to stop from doing so
 

Panda with issues...

Well-Known Member
You mean Resin. The resin models are harder to make (Due to...well..it being Resin. I belive they are mostly made in batches of 1's and 2's, rather then Plastic: Hundreds if not thousands, and Metal: Batches of 10-20 a go.

Most of the metals have been replaced by new, multipart plastic styrene kits over the last 10 years.

I accept that the finecast resin is the most recent attempt to remove metal models. Are there any actual metals still available in store, or is it just odds and ends from mail order for the specialist games?
 

Gombol

New Member
Most of the metals have been replaced by new, multipart plastic styrene kits over the last 10 years.

I accept that the finecast resin is the most recent attempt to remove metal models. Are there any actual metals still available in store, or is it just odds and ends from mail order for the specialist games?

Most, if not all, metal models are mail order only nowdays, unless the store is massive.


And there's nothing wrong with the multipart kits are fine, easy to convert, much easier to assemble and easier to move around.
 

Ki!ler-Mk1

Active Member

Unfortunately, in the case of my local store being a 1 man operating, not wishing to loose out on money, so, no, i cant use non gw models, and i cant mention independent stockists, and last time i tried to sell some warhammer i didnt want i was asked to leave (if i planned to not stop after being asked once).

Wayland games. Awesome, i've saved easily £500 using them over GW.

And for those who don't know me, I signed up a while ago to apply to the guild, but decided against it, now I just come on randomly to see if people have uncovered any decent news. (One of the few forums that accually bother posting real news, instead of their opinions and link the article in question.)

Feel welcome to stick around.
 

Ronin Storm

Administrator
Staff member
Yeah, at the point where they started looking like they were sliding downhill, I didn't think they'd be able to recover. Confidence seems to be a huge factor in a floated company. Bad news undermines confidence, so their share prices collapsed, the vultures circled, and that was that.
 

Xarlaxas

Active Member
Confidence is definitely a big factor in this, and in most cases with the markets (at least from what I've seen). . . .

Who will take over from GAME? Or are we just going to see the death of the Brick & Mortar game shop in a national chain? I think that, seeing as people can get games online cheaper, and more easily, that these sorts of stores need to have a reason to draw people in, a sense of community, an ability to talk to people who you feel share your interests, so, maybe the rise of FLG stores for video games will start up? Or maybe those gaming centres will start selling games as well as having the systems set up for LAN parties, if they don't already.
 

Xarlaxas

Active Member
Friendly Local Game Store!

I think there are actually a couple in Edinburgh, but I've never seen the reason to go to one for video games. . . .
 

Xylak

New Member
Confidence is definitely a big factor in this, and in most cases with the markets (at least from what I've seen). . . .
That's pretty much how the shares markets work.


Who will take over from GAME?
Most likely the supermarkets but for flagship titles only. Anything else, online or an independent if you have one in your area.

Or are we just going to see the death of the Brick & Mortar game shop in a national chain?
Looks like it. Who else is there? Gamestation? Nah. I really don't like going in those stores - tacky and grubby every single one.

I think that, seeing as people can get games online cheaper, and more easily, that these sorts of stores need to have a reason to draw people in, a sense of community, an ability to talk to people who you feel share your interests, so, maybe the rise of FLG stores for video games will start up? Or maybe those gaming centres will start selling games as well as having the systems set up for LAN parties, if they don't already.
Too late. And if this was a viable business model it would have happened already.
Most independents that are still operating successfully will likely stay around. There is, and will continue to be, a market for people who want it NOW. For example, I went and bought SWTOR at the weekend from a Game store. Yes, I know I could get it online but I did NOT want to install Origin to do it. Yes, I could have saved myself a few quid at Play or Amazon or somewhere but then I wouldn't have been able to play it all weekend.
There is a market for games stores but it is shrinking.

Still, there may be a last-minute bidder will pop up and grab it cheap. The problem, really, is that most stores are prime location with high rents/rates which makes them less attractive to prospective buyers.
 

thatbloke

Junior Administrator
Most likely the supermarkets but for flagship titles only. Anything else, online or an independent if you have one in your area.

Sorry but I've not seen a non-flagship title in a section other than pre-owned in ANY bricks and mortar store for some time. I've said it earlier in the thread - a lot of these non "flagship" titles have switched to online/digital distribution of some form already - it can, in most cases, cut out the publisher, and mean more money going to the developer. A good thing IMO.

I haven't bought a game on a disk for my PC for YEARS, and the reason I did so was because of the briks and mortar stores not selling them because we're all pirates, apparently.
 

Panda with issues...

Well-Known Member
I haven't bought a game on a disk for my PC for YEARS, and the reason I did so was because of the briks and mortar stores not selling them because we're all pirates, apparently.

Pirates plundering their sales, and shipping them off to the foetid hive of scum and villainy that is the internet, ARRR! Steam is the modern Tortuga!
 

Xylak

New Member
Gamestation are a subsidiary of game.

Realised this after I wrote it... research fail :p

Sorry but I've not seen a non-flagship title in a section other than pre-owned in ANY bricks and mortar store for some time. I've said it earlier in the thread - a lot of these non "flagship" titles have switched to online/digital distribution of some form already - it can, in most cases, cut out the publisher, and mean more money going to the developer. A good thing IMO.

I haven't bought a game on a disk for my PC for YEARS, and the reason I did so was because of the briks and mortar stores not selling them because we're all pirates, apparently.

Historically, PC games suffered from the ease with which they could be pirated. With Game's returns policy, you could buy a game in the morning, take it home, rip it, then return for a full refund that same day. It's harder to do that with console games.
I suspect that this happened not infrequently in the "old" days so PC games were non-returnable. Also, PC gamers tend to be more savvy when it comes to buying software and hardware and so would rarely go to Game to buy titles.

As for non-flagship titles... well, stores like Game would, obviously, push the new franchise titles hard but they also had plenty of other odd, lesser-known games. Perhaps that's changed in the last couple of years.

Another issue here, I think, is that publishers are trying to clamp down on second hand game sales. They think they are losing revenue and either want to put a stop to it or get in on the action themselves. Game/Gamestation have become an easy place to go to to sell and buy second hand titles and the publishers don't like that.
 
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