Windzarko
Well-Known Member
What he said. Only differences will be the 15 extra people and perhaps twice as many of the same drops from the bosses.
Raid Progression in Cataclysm
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What he said. Only differences will be the 15 extra people and perhaps twice as many of the same drops from the bosses.
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Gombol
Guest
Not to mention 15 more people to mess up. ^_^
Windzarko
Well-Known Member
And steal your shinies.
And DC at a critical moment.
And not listen to tactics and screw things up.
And spam your guild chat with achievements
Angelic
Active Member
Yeah, but that is absolutely not what I meant. Since there only will be one lockout per raid (no matter the size or difficulty) I - and everyone else - will be unable to participate in, say, regular 10man with Haven AND regular 25man PUG or 10man Storm Lords/AO hard mode. Why would I want that? Because 25mans are much different in playstyle and atmosphere to 10mans so I would like to play them, but I would like to play with a more tightly-knitted group of friends in 10mans.
Windzarko
Well-Known Member
Then you'll have to make a choice. Maybe we'll be doing what people want, maybe not. If the one we decide to run as a guild to get the most people doing the stuff they want isn't good enough for some people, the door is seven keystrokes away.
And steal your shinies.
And DC at a critical moment.
And not listen to tactics and screw things up.
And spam your guild chat with achievements
I'm sure blizzard will be introducing the new one man raid eventually and all your needs have been answered. (Raid restricted to Paladins and Druids only ...)
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Gombol
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Silk
Well-Known Member
You know, the more I think about this, the more I realise things are probably the other way around from what people seem to assume.
Why assume 10 man will be easier? Other than Blizzard stating it won't be, there's a few other factors:
In 25 man if a couple of DPS die, not so bad. In 10 man, pretty much a wipe especially if boss has an enrage timer.
In 25 man, more likely to have druid(s) with combat resses. More room for healer/tank fail.
In 25 man, likely to have more buffs. And cake.
In 25 man, if a couple of dups downright suck, rest of raid can compensate. In 10 man, I suspect this won't be case.
Why assume 10 man will be easier? Other than Blizzard stating it won't be, there's a few other factors:
In 25 man if a couple of DPS die, not so bad. In 10 man, pretty much a wipe especially if boss has an enrage timer.
In 25 man, more likely to have druid(s) with combat resses. More room for healer/tank fail.
In 25 man, likely to have more buffs. And cake.
In 25 man, if a couple of dups downright suck, rest of raid can compensate. In 10 man, I suspect this won't be case.
Zaggu
In Cryo Sleep
El, if you want to tag along, it's a darn cakewalk with healing. We can make it a weekly run once I'm geared up with full tanky goodness and it lets me skip some self-healing stuff to get more mitigation. Bare in mind that it's going to take me a bit to get the moneys for the enchants / gems up to scratch on all the pieces.
We can make it a weekly run once I'm geared up with full tanky goodness and it lets me skip some self-healing stuff to get more mitigation. Bare in mind that it's going to take me a bit to get the moneys for the enchants / gems up to scratch on all the pieces.
Angelic
Active Member
...becase wanting to do more is such a terrible thing, yes. I know, we've been over that not once already.
Silk
Well-Known Member
thatbloke
Junior Administrator
I think that one of the effects of this will be that people will, instead of having a "main" plus alts, have multiple "main" characters. While The Haven may not end up like this for a while, when you get certain raids on farm, and if they are going to have the proposed, say, 5-6 bosses in them then they will likely be able to cleared in a couple of hours tops (ToC can be done in an hour...) - this means that to keep yourself occupied in the game you're going to need to raid on multiple characters.
I think this is a sly way of getting more people to try more different characters and playstyles. But I've never really enjoyed playing as anything other than a Warlock :/
I think this is a sly way of getting more people to try more different characters and playstyles. But I've never really enjoyed playing as anything other than a Warlock :/
Hoy,
Personally, I think 25-mans are a totally different beast than 10-mans. Not harder or easier, I don't give a crap about that, but a totally different ebast nonetheless.
Now, I really like both of them, for completely different reasons. It's my most sincere hope that, whatever raids turn up, we as The Haven end up doing them all, in both 10- and 25-man versions, and in time, 10- and 25-man hard modes as well.
So we can't do them every week? Who the hell cares?! We can certainly do them 10-man one week, and 25-man the next.
My biggest worry, though, is that the guild itself will suffer from easyitis. ("D'uh, **-mans are so much easier, who would even bother with &&-mans.") Agin, easy, hard, I don't care. I want to do both.
Cheers,
J.
Personally, I think 25-mans are a totally different beast than 10-mans. Not harder or easier, I don't give a crap about that, but a totally different ebast nonetheless.
Now, I really like both of them, for completely different reasons. It's my most sincere hope that, whatever raids turn up, we as The Haven end up doing them all, in both 10- and 25-man versions, and in time, 10- and 25-man hard modes as well.
So we can't do them every week? Who the hell cares?! We can certainly do them 10-man one week, and 25-man the next.
My biggest worry, though, is that the guild itself will suffer from easyitis. ("D'uh, **-mans are so much easier, who would even bother with &&-mans.") Agin, easy, hard, I don't care. I want to do both.
Cheers,
J.
Huung
Well-Known Member
Hoy,
Personally, I think 25-mans are a totally different beast than 10-mans. Not harder or easier, I don't give a crap about that, but a totally different ebast nonetheless.
Now, I really like both of them, for completely different reasons. It's my most sincere hope that, whatever raids turn up, we as The Haven end up doing them all, in both 10- and 25-man versions, and in time, 10- and 25-man hard modes as well.
So we can't do them every week? Who the hell cares?! We can certainly do them 10-man one week, and 25-man the next.
My biggest worry, though, is that the guild itself will suffer from easyitis. ("D'uh, **-mans are so much easier, who would even bother with &&-mans.") Agin, easy, hard, I don't care. I want to do both.
Cheers,
J.
This all sounds like you very much want to experience all aspects of raiding available.
Go join a raiding guild you hard-core player, you
Hoy,
I would like to take the opportunity to present my speculation that most hard-core raiding guilds will figure out which mode makes for a faster progression and stick with that.
Also, I realise you were just kidding, but the fact that I want to chill out and take a break for one weekend out of every month makes me pretty much incompatible with any serious raiding guild.
Cheers,
J.
This all sounds like you very much want to experience all aspects of raiding available.
Go join a raiding guild you hard-core player, you
I would like to take the opportunity to present my speculation that most hard-core raiding guilds will figure out which mode makes for a faster progression and stick with that.
Also, I realise you were just kidding, but the fact that I want to chill out and take a break for one weekend out of every month makes me pretty much incompatible with any serious raiding guild.
Cheers,
J.
Huung
Well-Known Member
Hoy,
I would like to take the opportunity to present my speculation that most hard-core raiding guilds will figure out which mode makes for a faster progression and stick with that.
Also, I realise you were just kidding, but the fact that I want to chill out and take a break for one weekend out of every month makes me pretty much incompatible with any serious raiding guild.
Cheers,
J.
You have totally the wrong idea on raiding guilds Mr Z.
The Haven actually has more raiding nights than most guilds on the server, the only difference is none of them are compulsory. You could easily be in a serious raiding guild where you raid just 2 nights a week, and having a weekend off, as long as you gave warning, would be fine.
In terms of "hard-core raiding guilds will figure out which mode makes for a faster progression" - all 10s and 25s, and all their hard modes will be cleared as progression at one time or another, and are run in a similar fashion to The Haven's, only with 25mans far more likely.
I'm not trying to convince you at all here, as that would be too pointless to even contemplate, but I do feel you have a rather inaccurate and slightly militaristic view of raiding guild requirements