Raiding days?

Enya

Member
I was not in the guild back in TBC but if there was a "elite team of players" doing the hard ones, where are they now... or shall I ask where diid they go?
I have heard a lot of good things about the guild progressing in TBC, so what I am wondering is what hapend. Why did it suddenly stop? Did the "elite players" leave the guild or something?
 
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Gombol

Guest
I was not in the guild back in TBC but if there was a "elite team of players" doing the hard ones, where are they now... or shall I ask where diid they go?
I have heard a lot of good things about the guild progressing in TBC, so what I am wondering is what hapend. Why did it suddenly stop? Did the "elite players" leave the guild or something?


Progress was good from what i heard in TBC, only did a couple of raids with THN though.
 

Huung

Well-Known Member
I was not in the guild back in TBC but if there was a "elite team of players" doing the hard ones, where are they now... or shall I ask where diid they go?
I have heard a lot of good things about the guild progressing in TBC, so what I am wondering is what hapend. Why did it suddenly stop? Did the "elite players" leave the guild or something?

Found some old screenies of us doing Halazzi

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So yes, looking at that, It's only myself, Lithy, and Elauria who are around of the original "elite". Haven't seen Darenus in a long time, or Tellna - the others you'll likely recognise the names of, however.
 
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Gombol

Guest
Found some old screenies of us doing Halazzi

WoWScrnShot_051108_223903.jpg

So yes, looking at that, It's only myself, Lithy, and Elauria who are around of the original "elite". Haven't seen Darenus in a long time, or Tellna - the others you'll likely recognise the names of, however.

When i was in THN in TBC, the 'lil "group" was...4/10 of the people there, 5th stopping wow a while after me, i think. Not going to name any names, i dont want to get cried at by the old ring-leader.
 

Huung

Well-Known Member
When i was in THN in TBC, the 'lil "group" was...4/10 of the people there, 5th stopping wow a while after me, i think. Not going to name any names, i dont want to get cried at by the old ring-leader.

Was that not before a specific "elite" group was made though? I thought it was only when Zul'Aman came about that we formed a group specifically designed to take our best, just to get progression for those who could progress. Prior to that it was an elite group, but not with the specific idea of picking the elite people on purpose :p
 
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Gombol

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Was that not before a specific "elite" group was made though? I thought it was only when Zul'Aman came about that we formed a group specifically designed to take our best, just to get progression for those who could progress. Prior to that it was an elite group, but not with the specific idea of picking the elite people on purpose :p

It was the group that farmed heroics, snubbing everyone else, and the group that always went to kara as part of the "uber" group, every guild has for 10 mans.
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
I have heard a lot of good things about the guild progressing in TBC, so what I am wondering is what hapend. Why did it suddenly stop? Did the "elite players" leave the guild or something?

TheHaven -> Zenith -> Zeitgeist -> Northrend Exposure
TheHaven -> Aftermath
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
Lack of guild structure, interpersonal issues and frustration over progress.

I helped form Zeitgeist and Zenith and then moved onto Aftermath with my main. Had a great time doing very hard core raiding which as has already been pointed out is not what TheHaven is about. There will always be a few that want to see more (25 man / hard modes) than can be offered in the current environment. The easy option is to move to where that is possible with like minded people.
 

Zooggy

Junior Administrator
Staff member
Ahey, :)

There will always be a few that want to see more (25 man / hard modes) than can be offered in the current environment. The easy option is to move to where that is possible with like minded people.

Importantly, it should be (and in most cases is) possible to do so without abandoning the larger THN community.

Cheers,
J.
 

Haven

Administrator
Staff member
Yup, I'm also not advocating leaving as the only solution. Its the easy option is all (in-cast that subtlety was not apparent).
 

Lyranne

New Member
True, but in another way than I think you understood it. Without Veterans we probably wouldn't have been able to organize a good portion of past successful raiding nights, as already discussed in this thread,



Being a Veteran does in no way mean you have a higher priority for a raid spot. What probably led you to believe that they had, is that since all Veterans are very experienced and active players, they tend to sign up more often than Raiders and Trial Raiders, and therefore get to raid more often. Let me repeat: Veterans have no priority whatsoever over a (Trial) Raider that signed up as yes and is on time, and it is not unheard of that an Officer or Veteran put a raid group together only to then step themselves out.

I never considered them having a higher priority, per se, but rather that without a clear definition, it's what one could easily assume.

As should be obvious, I do not demand a raiding spot, nor do I say I have to be a specific role. I would however, due to my absentmindedness not mind the occasional kick to sign up if things are looking bad (or you just happen to want a change of the guard). I know it's silly, but real life does get in the way of being able to repeatedly sign up, along with the fact I just can't guarentee my mood will be productive. I won't know how I feel until that day, which means I tend to refrain from signing up in the first place (better that than sign up and repeatedly drop out).

I am aware that veterans have set up raids, and again, I'm not dismissing them or their role. If I was, I would have left the guild.

That being said, it has been a while since I've felt all that welcome within the raiding group, having lost places when I have signed up, or else being asked to go as an undergeared character (If you want me to heal raids, I need heroics first.
My dps gear is good, my secondary/tiertiary sets are lacklustre). I don't mind not bringing Lonny. Hell, I loathe playing the same role week after week, but whenever I've asked or suggested I'd like to have a chance to do something with another character, it's not ended well, which again limits gearing up for other roles (seeing as Lonny can only tank or dps, whereas my Paladin and Priest can heal/dps, etc).
Again, I'd understand more if I was a lootwhore or else one for switching mains every other day, but since joining the Haven (first half of last year) I've continued to use Lonny. It's that prolonged period of doing the same thing that further adds to me being reluctant to sign up (I know I'm not alone in needing variety).

Now, I am aware that sounded more like a random outburst, but it was more to get to this point: I want to know where we as raiders stand with regards to what flexibility we're allowed. Currently I simply don't feel confident in asking about using an alternative character, let alone trying to put a foot down.
 

Angelic

Active Member
I want to know where we as raiders stand with regards to what flexibility we're allowed. Currently I simply don't feel confident in asking about using an alternative character, let alone trying to put a foot down.

Ditto.

I guess part of the problem with me signing up is that despite signing up I sometimes not get included in the raid OR the raid doesnt form OR it forms to a place I don't want to go (say ToC10). Having signups for specific raids (eg ICC/ToGC/ToC25) rather than a raiding day would encourage people to sign up in my opinion - they would know what to read up on, what to look forward to, whether or not they can sign up with their alt (I won't be bringing Veritas to ICC but she could go to ToC10).

You might want to consider that. After all, raiders always ask before pugging things anyway so they shouldn't be locked to stuff unless it's not on raiding schedule.
 
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Gombol

Guest
Angelic;84263the raid doesnt form OR it forms to a place I don't want to go (say ToC10). [/QUOTE said:
Guild gain should come before personal gain, tbh.
 

Angelic

Active Member
Guild gain should come before personal gain, tbh.
Well, that is nice and well, but it doesn't change the fact that I won't ever be very excited about signing up if I know there's a high chance I will be disappointed that evening due to nonexistent, wipeful or underlevel raids. Call me egoistic selfish git, that's just the way it is.
 

Youn

Member
Agreed, it's a game which you play because you feel like it's fun. If you're being forced to do things you don't like that's just wrong.
 

Huung

Well-Known Member
Plus there's very little "guild gain" from running ToC10 when heroics have items of the same ilevel. ToC10 needs to be put on the "PuGgable without permission" list.
 

Youn

Member
That being said I'm always happy to step aside if I have not signed up, for someone who has as long as the raid is able to still function.
Reading back this makes me laugh, you did the exact same thing again today. Keep on going man! This really helps.
 
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