Xylak
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
©opyright math [TM] or... why the numbers don't add up
©opyright math [TM] or... why the numbers don't add up
The threat to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
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Ki!ler-Mk1
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
So, i just came across this video, and it raised some points that had never occurred to me. People cant afford to buy music at its current price levels, there are a LOT of unsigned good musicians. And the vid suggests that if the "known" musicians at the top had producers who charged less, then the 'less well known' would be able to sell their stuff too.
I never thought of the music industry as the bad guys before, now sure the pictures in the vid could be staged, but its a strong message suggesting that people raking it in at the top of the industry are squashing all the musicians not involved.
By taking more than their share of the peoples available revenue to spend on music into the the very top (and most costly) of what is available.
Got me thinking about all the musicians i've never heard of because all the money they need is already going over their heads to the 'signed' musicians.
[I am not suggesting its wrong to be a musician at the top, we the consumers might be indifferent, but you can be sure the unsigned are not]
So, i just came across this video, and it raised some points that had never occurred to me. People cant afford to buy music at its current price levels, there are a LOT of unsigned good musicians. And the vid suggests that if the "known" musicians at the top had producers who charged less, then the 'less well known' would be able to sell their stuff too.
I never thought of the music industry as the bad guys before, now sure the pictures in the vid could be staged, but its a strong message suggesting that people raking it in at the top of the industry are squashing all the musicians not involved.
By taking more than their share of the peoples available revenue to spend on music into the the very top (and most costly) of what is available.
Got me thinking about all the musicians i've never heard of because all the money they need is already going over their heads to the 'signed' musicians.
[I am not suggesting its wrong to be a musician at the top, we the consumers might be indifferent, but you can be sure the unsigned are not]
Ki!ler-Mk1
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17486841
Related?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17486841
Related?
bacon
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
And there we go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176
Pirate Bay ruled illegal in UK.
ISPs will be forced to block traffic to/from Pirate Bay.
This is the future of censorship.
And there we go: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176
Ki!ler-Mk1
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
Ban the leader of the pack. The most vocal, the most renown.
Actually, they are the only one, I cant say i've been on another torrent site, but i suspect those pushing for this hope that no one will realise they are not a unique site concept.
Ban the leader of the pack. The most vocal, the most renown.
Actually, they are the only one, I cant say i've been on another torrent site, but i suspect those pushing for this hope that no one will realise they are not a unique site concept.
Panda with issues...
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
(Fixed since bbc can't be arsed to edit stuff properly)
I don't use the pirate bay or indeed any torrenting sites, so I wouldn't know, but how do these people commercially exploit music when the reason people go to their site is because it's available for free there?
(Fixed since bbc can't be arsed to edit stuff properly)
I don't use the pirate bay or indeed any torrenting sites, so I wouldn't know, but how do these people commercially exploit music when the reason people go to their site is because it's available for free there?
Ki!ler-Mk1
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
Advertising revenue is considered commercial (irrelevant of why those ads are being viewed). Myself, I have all ads blocked anyway, but even when i go to a page with them blocked, i guess they still get a "page viewed".
The funny thing is that its why people go to the site that should be addressed, not that because people go to the site someone else makes money indirectly.
Anything said after that feels like a whinefest, but really if i cant afford to buy music, but its thrust in my face every time i turn on the TV or Radio, i dont want to be that kid/guy who is different because i cant afford the cost of modern musical releases.
Advertising revenue is considered commercial (irrelevant of why those ads are being viewed). Myself, I have all ads blocked anyway, but even when i go to a page with them blocked, i guess they still get a "page viewed".
The funny thing is that its why people go to the site that should be addressed, not that because people go to the site someone else makes money indirectly.
Anything said after that feels like a whinefest, but really if i cant afford to buy music, but its thrust in my face every time i turn on the TV or Radio, i dont want to be that kid/guy who is different because i cant afford the cost of modern musical releases.
Panda with issues...
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Re: The thread to web neutrality (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA/et al)
Not strictly along the lines of this thread, but seems the best place for it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18206803
Not strictly along the lines of this thread, but seems the best place for it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18206803
Xylak
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Looks like ACTA is done for: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18533268
Although I suspect that we haven't seen the last of this type of legislation. There's a lot of other nasty stuff bubbling under as China and Russia try to exert some influence on the EU and America. Or maybe they are offering tips on how to lock down your citizens.
Although I suspect that we haven't seen the last of this type of legislation. There's a lot of other nasty stuff bubbling under as China and Russia try to exert some influence on the EU and America. Or maybe they are offering tips on how to lock down your citizens.
Ki!ler-Mk1
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They (Content police) wouldn't have these problems if they'd cracked down on this when the net was small, un-organised, and not mainstream 10+years ago.
Im glad they had no foresight.
Im glad they had no foresight.
Spicypixel
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They are doing it for your own safety. Get in line.
Wol
In Cryo Sleep
Hipster.
I thought this is like the 5th time or so theyve tried with ACTA, and there was the SOPA, PIPA and all that crap. In the end, the government are going to want to spy on everything you do, so its time we moved across to using all secure connections for everything.
Haven: Can haz https://games.thehavennet.org.uk/?
Xylak
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Hipster.
I thought this is like the 5th time or so theyve tried with ACTA, and there was the SOPA, PIPA and all that crap. In the end, the government are going to want to spy on everything you do, so its time we moved across to using all secure connections for everything.
Haven: Can haz https://games.thehavennet.org.uk/?
SOPA and PIPA were U.S. based whereas ACTA is the European version.
While each of these particular proposals has been defeated (OK, ACTA may yet still be ratified despite the opposition), it's not going to stop the big corporations from pushing for stricter anti-piracy measures and governments actually like this because it allows for censorship without it sounding like they are doing it. We've already got censorship with Pirate Bay being blocked by law. The fact that it's easy to get around this type of site-blocking is irrelevant as governments put more pressure on ISPs to control what their customers get to see.
Governments want control for different reasons to corporations. Citizens that can easily communicate with each other cause trouble for those in power. Why else is there so much control in countries like China and North Korea? The UK want ISPs to track what sites you visit and who you email/talk to for similar reasons. They even wanted to shut down social media sites when the recent riots kicked off.
Informed, communicating citizens are dangerous to authority and they know that.
Once the Internet Police get involved, we know that consequences will never be the same
Dragon
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Enya
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