[Warhammer] Tabletop Gaming - who here does it?

[Panda with issues...]

Yeah the value for money is now terrible, as GW still do metal models for some units (meaning 30+ quid minimum for a unit) and the plastic unit boxes got halved in size and then increased in cost (used to be 20 models for about 18 quid, now its 10 for 12).

To add to the list of cheaper alternative places to buy, as i agree with maelstrom games whole heartedly, i'll offer up http://gamingfigures.com/ as they do great discounts on bulk purchases.

To be fair, yeh, fully agree on the 10 skeletons/clanrats/whatever for 12 quid bollocks, but still, the plastics are decent value for money, compared to metals, GW have been steadily releasing more and more stuff as plastic, and compared to other ranges (E.g. Battlefront, privateer press) the amount of choice available as plastic, and quality of plastic models in general, is unsurpassed, as you would expect from the industry leader.

 

[Kasatka]

To be fair, yeh, fully agree on the 10 skeletons/clanrats/whatever for 12 quid bollocks, but still, the plastics are decent value for money, compared to metals, GW have been steadily releasing more and more stuff as plastic, and compared to other ranges (E.g. Battlefront, privateer press) the amount of choice available as plastic, and quality of plastic models in general, is unsurpassed, as you would expect from the industry leader.

Oh indeed, not denying that. Merely commenting that they persist in releasing characters and monsters in metals quite often, and a lot of their new models have been very poor quality, compounding the issue of price.

 

[Panda with issues...]

It really is terrible, but I bet there will be a lot of them being deployed, they're double the size of a Demon Prince and ridiculously powerful by all accounts. . . .

Haha. Thus justifying everything I wrote

Oh indeed, not denying that. Merely commenting that they persist in releasing characters and monsters in metals quite often, and a lot of their new models have been very poor quality, compounding the issue of price.

Dunno if I really agree with this.

They've released a fair few plastic character kits, and I think that this will continue, towards an all, or predominantly plastic range, which to be fair, is what they've done now.

I disagree about the models being poor quality - can you name which sculpts you're talking about?

Having started with Flames of War, I can certainly see the difference between the casting done in the UK (GW) and that done in malaysia - Battlefront. GW every time.

I've seen some of the privateer press plastics too, and haven't been particularly impressed. GW is in a league of its own.

While other companies may make better models (debatable, and down to personal preference really) - see wyrd minis and the Infinity range, GW has excellent quality control and customer service when it comes to this part of the hobby.

Anyway. Back on track:

Bloke: If you took up FoW or Warmahordes, Ghostwolf and myself might be more able to accomodate you into the future. As it stands, organisationally, I do have a lot of WH Fantasy kicking around in reading, and could probably be persuaded to get it out with enough warning, bu I wouldnt exactly be EXCITED about doing it...

Edit: Please note, I'm in no way trying to dissuade you from painting and playing with your GW stuff, I've attemped to be as objective and balanced about this stuff as possible, which I hope has come through in my posts.

All I'm trying to say is that there are other options out there as well as GW, and myself and ghostwolf are currently beginning to explore some of them. As a whole, I feel the painting and gaming hobby involving miniatures is very rewarding.

 

[Panda with issues...]

I'm still a collector and painter of 40k and fantasy. I have half a dozen armies in 40k and two in fantasy all in various stages of completion.

I know about the skaven, what's the second one you bum?

 

[Panda with issues...]

Also, have created a tabletop gaming and modelling social group for pictures etc.

 

[Ki!ler-Mk1]

Because gamesworkshop and their employees never seek to explain about non GW products, indeed even going so far as to ask people in store to leave if they dont stop talking about such things, i keep finding that the inconsistanies with the paint make me want to look else where for model supplies.



But i cant, because i have no clue.

 

[Ghostwolf67]

Orks and gobbos. Got a load of em

 

[Huung]

Because gamesworkshop and their employees never seek to explain about non GW products, indeed even going so far as to ask people in store to leave if they dont stop talking about such things, i keep finding that the inconsistanies with the paint make me want to look else where for model supplies.



But i cant, because i have no clue.

If you mean alternate pain ranges, then try Vallejo's "Game" range, or Reaper's range. Both are decent alternatives, and Vallejo's ink range is very much like GW's old ones, before they scrapped them and brought in washes.

 

[Velaphor]

Orks and gobbos. Got a load of em

Works in both Warhammer and 40k

 

[Zooggy]

Hoy,

Well... everyone here would do well to remember that there is no problem which can't be solved with moar daka...!

Cheers,
J.

 

[thatbloke]

Hoy,

Well... everyone here would do well to remember that there is no problem which can't be solved with moar daka...!

Cheers,
J.

Wise words!

Panda, I appreciate your comments and the ensuing discussion it spawned. While I'm going to stick with just GW for now, maybe down the line I'll look into these other games and see what the fuss is all aboot

 

[Panda with issues...]

Wise words!

Panda, I appreciate your comments and the ensuing discussion it spawned. While I'm going to stick with just GW for now, maybe down the line I'll look into these other games and see what the fuss is all aboot

And that's fine mate.

Ultimately, GW is currently probably the best choice for oyu for these reasons:

Viability: If you already have a load of models, and so does your friend, you might as well use them.

Accessibility: GW is the most common system around. THere's a lot of support for it, and you'll always be able to get a game.

 

[Ronin Storm]

What was the reason for the gw hate over there? Wasn't it something like gw asking them to remove all imagery of gw products or something?

I think that was just a particular thing that BGG (and others) didn't like but I sense that for some boardgamers, particularly those from the die-hard eurogamer camp, GW games epitomise all that is wrong with a boardgame. i.e. luck heavy, theme heavy, rule heavy, model pushing, money grabbing, unbalanced mechanics, etc, etc. I'm sure they've got other whipping boys too, but newer (post '92/'93) GW games are easy pickings for their ire.

Not saying they're right, just that I think that's the root of their problem and that GW just "proved" them right by demanding that copyright images be removed from BGG.

 

[Ki!ler-Mk1]

luck heavy, theme heavy, rule heavy,

Whats the alternative?

 

[luc]

Wise words!

Panda, I appreciate your comments and the ensuing discussion it spawned. While I'm going to stick with just GW for now, maybe down the line I'll look into these other games and see what the fuss is all aboot

My advice, quite honestly, is play the GW games outside of a store or primarily GW gaming club (not all GCN registered are primarily GW). I've only got some old Dark Angels, but MG has a bunch.

 

[Zooggy]

Hoy,

luck heavy, theme heavy, rule heavy,

Whats the alternative?

There's plenty of alternatives:

• Chess - luck none, theme very light, rule heavy
• Go - luck none, theme none, rule light
• Poker - luck medium, theme none, rule medium
• Settlers of Catan - luck medium, theme heavy, rule light
• Advanced Squad Leader - luck heavy, theme heavy, rule absurdly colossal

Just to name a few.

Cheers,
J.

 

[Kasatka]

Twilight Imperium + Shattered Universe expansion = 8 player game requiring a whole weekend to play effectively

 

[Ronin Storm]

I've always been fascinated by games with lots of pieces and board segments. Makes Twilight Imperium look awesome, even though I'm not wholly certain that I'd actually enjoy playing...

 

[Ki!ler-Mk1]

Poker - luck medium, theme none, rule medium

I dont know how to play. Nor have anyone to play with.

 

[Panda with issues...]

GW games epitomise all that is wrong with a boardgame. i.e. luck heavy, theme heavy, rule heavy, model pushing, money grabbing, unbalanced mechanics, etc, etc. I'm sure they've got other whipping boys too, but newer (post '92/'93) GW games are easy pickings for their ire.

Not saying they're right, just that I think that's the root of their problem and that GW just "proved" them right by demanding that copyright images be removed from BGG.

Luck heavy: Hah, plenty of board games have that. Theme heavy: Nothing not to like about that. Rule heavy? Probably fair.

Tbh though, it's a laugh looking at the difference in ratings between a lot of the table top wargames and seeing stuff that is marked down simply for being GW.