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Panda with issues...

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Its a pretty good mix of races, but there sure are some super players there and the tv gap can be wide. But 4 Guard will do a lot to help your cause. Just make sure you don't pick up any tackle until after you've played my Wood Elves! :p

We'll see, based on who gets skill ups, and what the rolls are. I will say tackle is a bit of a priority though. Ideally the blitzers will all get guard, then a couple will get tackle, the others mighty blow, maybe mix in some grab. Basic linemen could definitely see some early tackle...
 

Panda with issues...

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The first edition of the courier for the season has been released. You can check it out here:
http://bbtactics.com/forums/crunch-cup-courier-51-a-t2072/

I covered Panda's match for the Play of the day. Just scroll down to near the bottom of the page with all the screenshots.

I hadn't noticed that! Brilliant!

It was total luck everywhere, but hilarious hero defence.

I better put some more quality plays together to try and get another segment!
 

Narly Bird

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From watching those few turns, i was sure Gallows would score. You did so many 3+ dodges, 2+ gfi's etc. If any of those had failed, you wouldn't have stopped him. Nice hero play defense there! :D
 

Panda with issues...

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I'm doing ok this league, with a 2-0-1 record (and quite frankly, I should have had a draw with Alouatta if I hadn't had some outrageously poor luck, but that's the way it plays out in BB sometimes).

The 2-0 win against Barn was a little flattering to me, but I felt in general control of the game throughout.

I'm really REALLY not looking forward to the next stretch of games. I think I have back to back games against elves for 4 weeks in a row or something, before wrapping up against the Necromantics, Nurgle and Human teams. I feel Those Fancy Pants can match up fairly well against any of the non-AG4 teams, and will be a pain for the elves to try to push around, but I just haven't got enough tackle on the team to feel even remotely confident about winning any of those games.

If I can split the elves 2 wins-2 losses I'd be ecstatic about it to be honest. I'll get a taste for how the team performs next week against the dark elves.

I've only got one tackler, no MB, and both The Elf Street Band and the Ass Family look tooled up to the hilt. Depraved and Forests of Alduin are closer TV wise, but will also be a pain.

I don't know whether I'm looking forward to playing the ultracompetitive Netsmurph or not either.
 

Narly Bird

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My season has gone off the rails a bit – currently 1-0-2. I play Pro Elves next and my opponent will get a wizard, so unless it’s a fizzer I will likely get a draw at best. I have a feeling that things will turn around for MD5 though ;)

When playing against coaches you are not particularly fond of, I suggest just posting a “have fun and good luck” or “HF&GL” for the hardcore gamer and then leaving the chat at that.
 

Panda with issues...

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My season has gone off the rails a bit – currently 1-0-2. I play Pro Elves next and my opponent will get a wizard, so unless it’s a fizzer I will likely get a draw at best. I have a feeling that things will turn around for MD5 though ;)

When playing against coaches you are not particularly fond of, I suggest just posting a “have fun and good luck” or “HF&GL” for the hardcore gamer and then leaving the chat at that.

I don't think I'm doing badly at the moment at 2-0-1. I think the game (possibly tonight) against Boffa's dark elves could give me an idea about how the next three weeks will go. It'll probably all depend on armour breaks tbh.

MD5 is certainly one I'm targeting as a possible win for Those Fancy Pants! (But I'm sure it will be a hilarious game regardless, ours always are). I'm pencilling in an almost certain loss against the Elf Street Band, and then I want to beat the hell out of netsmurph (though I'd be surprised if it will happen) just because it will enrage him to lose to a human team. I'm currently not looking any further forward than that.
 

Panda with issues...

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So a brief update after MD 8:

I'm currently sitting middle of the pack, with a 3-2-3 record.

Losses to a norse team which are romping about in the top of the division, as well as a predictable, if close loss to the Elf team spanking everyone. A really tough loss to a middle of the pack dark elf team that was mostly caused by bad dice.

Wins against a pretty soft skaven team, a chaos team and a human team, with an admined draw against Narly :( and a draw with Netsmurf's Necromantic team (was fairly pleased to both take a point from the game with netsmurf and limit him to a point, as he's an exceptionally good player).

The top 4 from the division will qualify for playoffs, and 3 of those slots are basically spoken for by two elf teams and the norse.

That leaves the middle of the pack being brutally fought over by me, netsmurf's Necros, the other human team, Narly's wood elves, an undead team which replaced the drop out Dark Elves who crushed me, and the chaos team.

An amazon team, nurgle team and the skaven are likely out of the running.

I feel in a reasonably solid position to play for it, as out of the middle group, I've beaten the humans and chaos convincingly, and drew with Narly and Netsmurf. The only loss effectively coming against the undead.

I also have one of the theoretically softest schedules remaining, with a chance to take points off the other top elf team, and then a stretch run of the amazons and nurgle dwelling in the division cellar. Suspect I will lose against the elves, since I also have 2 players (including, critically the ogre and my kicker) out for that game, but feel I stack up fairly well against the other two. Both amazons and Nurgle can be trixy, and or cause damage though, so we'll have to see.

I think I probably need to take 6 points or more from the last 3 games, and even then, it might not be enough...
 

Panda with issues...

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In addition to this, my skill ups are slowing down significantly as my team reaches the classic level2/3 SPP plateau.

Roster as stands:

Level 2 Ogre: Guard
Level 1 Blitzer
Level 3 Blitzer: Guard, Dodge
2x Level 2 Blitzers, both with guard.
Level 3 Thrower: Block, Tackle
Level 3 Thrower: Strong arm, guard
Level 2 Lineman: Kick, -1AV
Level 2 Lineman: S4
4x Level 1 linemen.
3 rerolls, apothecary.

The blitzers are the heart of this team, though the experience of the throwers, and particularly the S4 linemen have been pleasantly surprising.

The way I like to play the game involves a low risk, running style with competent defending across the whole pitch. Additionally, the high number of agility teams prevalent in the crunch cup has ensured the need to cover the whole field with disciplined defending, until making them commit to one side or the other. As such, the thrower with block and tackle normally guards one sideline edge, and the S4 lineman now covers the other, both bringing some moderate defensive ability making things harder for elves to blitz the edge and break up the sideline. The s4 lineman made an excellent impromptu ball carrier in my last game, being hard to bring down, and a surprising target, since he's pretty slow, giving him the ball is often unexpected.

As discussed before, the blitzers are the strength of the squad, and the final one to skill up will also get guard. Further skill ups will depend on dice rolls (+MV, +S or +AG would all be very difficult to turn down, as would dodge on a double), but the plan was always to put the team first, and make this a flexible squad. For this reason, the next skill I'm looking at for blitzers is grab.
There appears to be an increasing amount of flithy sidesteppers in the league, and grab will cancel that out. It will also give me a significant advantage both on offence and defence, allowing me to start chain pushes, and generally allowing me to control the pitch even more than I already do with my guard. Although eventually I want all of the blitzers to have guard, it's becoming increasingly difficult to look beyond mighty blow as a skill choice, and so I may split the four blitzers 2 and 2 grab: MB, with each getting the one they didn't pick up previously as they progress. Other teams are starting to get nasty and hit harder, and my slightly more passive style of play is suffering as a result. I think I may need some more violent threats on the team. Further skills for the blitzers will be stand firm to really control the pitch, and tackle to help with hitting stupid dodgy elves and limit their mobility.

The ogre's next skills really pick themselves, with grab and stand firm the obvious choices.

The S4 lineman is a real asset, and definitely needs block asap.

The main ball carrier thrower (block, tackle) probably doesn't really need much more than what he has currently. Fend may be another good choice, and frenzy might be a good one to have defensively, as it's always good to have as a threat, and I don't want to give it to the blitzers. His skills will very much depend on how the team is performing and what else it needs.

The other thrower (strong arm, guard) is perfectly poised to provide me an alternative weapon in dire circumstances. Next skill will be block, to hold onto the ball, but after that, accurate and safe throw would give him the skill to really provide an outlet for surprise play.

The rest of the linemen really will probably get what the team needs. A mix of block, wrestle and tackle to help stem the elven tide, with at least one being developed into a ball extractor (wrestle, tackle, strip ball). Doubles here will almost certainly end up as guard.
 

Narly Bird

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Indeed it seems that it is just 4th place that is up for grabs now. We are both at 3-2-3, but I have 2 of the hardest matchups facing me – Necro and Norse. But now I also have a S4 Wardancer on my team, so I think I’m in with a good chance. If either of us wants to get to the playoffs I think its going to have to be 3 straight wins, as even a draw in their could ruin our chances (although it depends a lot on the other mid tier player results too).

Your team is starting to look nice. Humans are a bit of an average team overall and don’t skill up as quickly as their Elven/Orc counterparts who can rely on TDs/passes and casualties respectively. Your next Elven opponent is quite a good player, although likes his gfi’s and 1 dice blocks a bit more than I prefer. Still, his team is really skilled and he beat me 3-1. I think its going to be a tough match for you. Maybe you can get some nice inducements though, given that your Ogre and kicker are taking a rest? Good luck.
 

Panda with issues...

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Yeah, I think this team needs another really long season to start to function efficiently. Considering the amount of inducements I'll have, and the need to win, a star player might be the way to go. The other option is reroll depletion with the master chef which worked pretty well against Etheric, though I still lost.

I wouldn't consider a mid table finish to be a failure considering the types of team in the division and the TV spread from top to bottom.
 

Narly Bird

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Yeah, i certainly agree that mid table is a good result considering your team. As for Master Chef, i'm not that big a fan. With all the Elf blodge, pass, catch, etc. i dont think it makes much a difference if he has rr's or not.

I would go for a wizard and maybe some bribing/fouling goodness. Alternatively, i quite like Griff Oberwald star player. He's like an Elf, only stronger.
 

Panda with issues...

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Yeah, i certainly agree that mid table is a good result considering your team. As for Master Chef, i'm not that big a fan. With all the Elf blodge, pass, catch, etc. i dont think it makes much a difference if he has rr's or not.

I would go for a wizard and maybe some bribing/fouling goodness. Alternatively, i quite like Griff Oberwald star player. He's like an Elf, only stronger.

Was potentially thinking Morg 'n Thorg to replace my missing ogre.

Hopefully cripple the ASS Family to the point that they're useless from then on...
 

Narly Bird

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I’m not that keen on Morg vs Elves. He will either just dodge his players away or tie him up with a blodger, who you only have 1/3 chance of taking down each turn. I much prefer Griff. Not only is he 110k cheaper (giving you babes or rr or apoth) but his stat line is also really sweet:
MA7 S4 AG4 AV8 Block, Dodge, Fend, Sprint, Sure feet (320k)

With sprint and sure feet, that gives him an effective movement of 10! So if those Elves dodge away, you can easily catch up. Blodge and strength 4 will keep him up and he is a real scoring threat if he is anywhere inside the opponents half.

Morg on the other hand, has the following stat line:
MA6 S6 AG3 AV10 Block, Mighty blow, This skull, Throw team mate (430k)

This is by no means shabby, but against blodging elves, I’m not sure he would make much of an impact. As I said, its only 1/3 chance to knock down a blodger with Morg. Although if he has just 1 assist, he will get a 3 dice block and increase your odds of knockdown to about 50% I suppose.

I must say though that regardless of the result, your smack talk is gold. You should get at least some points due to the quality of it! :)
 

Panda with issues...

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Thanks for the discussion on star players, it's been useful.

I don't like taking the wizard, as I feel it's a bit cheap and doesn't improve my BB skills.

I'll have a think about what I'm going to do.

As Lebe pointed out at BBT, smack talk can get juicy when theams with ASS and Pants in their names meet.

Barn and I had a fantastically funny 'friendly' last night. The write up is in the CTA thread.
 

Narly Bird

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Just read the match report and it sounded like a really fun match. It really sounded like BB at its best.
 

Narly Bird

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My Woodies got the snot beaten out of them by Pottsy's Zon's, but i managed to sneak home a 3-2 win. This means that i now have a good chance to reach the playoffs if you can beat Lebe and I can win my last 2 matches. You also have a good chance to get through, especially if i can draw or beat Netsmurf (who i play next).

Unfortunately my star +strength, +movement, wrestle Catcher got crippled during my match vs Pottsy though and i lost another Woodie MNG, so i have a threadbare 11 players to go up against Netsmurf. At least i still have my big gun strength 4 Wardancer to sow fear into the heart of his ball carrier...
 

Panda with issues...

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Bad news for you I'm afraid, my PC has picked up a pretty nasty piece of malware, and if I can't fix it soon, I'm going to have to concede the game with Lebe. Which of course is bitterly disappointing after the smack talk build up.

Glad you beat pottsy, but your team clearly needed a TV pruning anyway...
 

Narly Bird

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Bad news for you I'm afraid, my PC has picked up a pretty nasty piece of malware, and if I can't fix it soon, I'm going to have to concede the game with Lebe. Which of course is bitterly disappointing after the smack talk build up.

Glad you beat pottsy, but your team clearly needed a TV pruning anyway...
Wow, thats a bummer about the virus on your comp. Fingers crossed you can fix it quickly. Assuming you can't play, it means i will have to win all my remaining matches and even then it will depend on the results of Lebe and Rama (with me needing them to lose at least 1 match each).

I have to agree with you about the tv bloat. That star Catcher was 190k tv of "meh". So perhaps Pottsy was doing me a favor by retiring him? ;)
 
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