HA! No pie charts shall harm me! (I hope you didn't take offense - as have been stated in other posts, this subject does tend to get personal and, ahem, "high spirited")
I'm speechless.
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HA! No pie charts shall harm me! (I hope you didn't take offense - as have been stated in other posts, this subject does tend to get personal and, ahem, "high spirited")
Nanor
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Frankly, I don't know many single mothers. I know one off the top of my head who lives in a massive house with a big ass television and had a nice car until she crashed it. She isn't getting the money from her dream career, I'l admit, but she's certainly getting it from the ex-husband.
PsiSoldier
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How many single fathers do you know who have massively successful careers? I don't know any.silkth said:
Works both ways.
...than again, how many single fathers do you know, total? And how many single mothers?
PsiSoldier
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Quite alot of single fathers actually, compared to mothers. At least 7 of my old school friends lived with their father, only 2 (including me) living with their mother.
hm, okay then. The point I was trying to make is that nine out of ten single parents are women. Your old school was a statistical anomaly, and doesn't count 
Silk
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You think the guy has to pay that much? Wrooong. I can't quote exact figures but the last single mum I knew got peanuts from the guy who decided to run off.
Majority of that cash is coming from goverment, i.e. tax payers.
Everyone's different but I bet most people in that situation would be out there working rather than spending every minute of every day stuck in the house raising a child.
Silk
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*shrugs* Yes it does. Call it single parent then for I care.
However - it is more likely to be a woman, being as she grows the child in her belly and has no easy way out.
Silk
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Well you are a lil bit. I was talking about the situation where the guy either ran off, or there was never a relationship in the first place (some drunken one night stand).
Assuming she can't abort..
The options after childbirth for the mother aren't in any way guaranteed to give her what she wants or needs. I would need to double check but I'm pretty sure, for example, she can't turn around to the nurse and say "I don't want to be a mother, please find other parents to adopt this child".
She can elect to put it up for adoption but the process isn't instant or guaranteed. All the other options you mentioned are probably not available to her either (lets assume her family have disowned her, and the father isn't around).
More likely than not she will have to be a mother, regardless of what she wanted. So in saying "abortion is wrong" not only have we told her what to do with her body, but we have told her what to do with her life, her future.
Does this not seem to be a breach of basic human rights?
Silk
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"She can elect to put it up for adoption but the process isn't instant or guaranteed. "
You'd have to look up the facts but I'm pretty sure e.g. if the child has some disability you can't put it up for adoption.
And the process can take some time. What if there are no people who want to adopt? Hence, it isn't guaranteed.
PsiSoldier
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So, don't have kids unless in a stable relationship then. That sounds sensible to me.
er, yes? This is abortion we're discussing? As a means to not have kids if you, for example, happen to not be in a stable relationship?
I thought this was about Adoption, not abortion. Children CAN be taken away from homes if the homes are not deemed suitable ie mother or father keeps having different partners who are abusive etc. So even if they couldnt have a child put up for adoption, they could treat it really poorly then have it taken into care.