Portal 2 Demo.

Angelic

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With an hour or two, nothing. With ten more hours, however, an extra character could be introduced. More complex plot. Different environment(s). There is a lot of possibilities :)
 

BiG D

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And what I'm saying is the portal formula would not hold up with an addition of a few hours, let alone something like ten!

And, to answer Doc, length isn't important, but it does have an effect on things like pacing. This is why games that work incredibly well in four hour chunks aren't necessarily going to work as 10+ hour games. It's also the reason that Telltale is having such luck with episodic games. They can present the game in much more concentrated form without risking people burning out.
 

DocBot

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How do you mean? Is it that you would get bored? I agree that there's a limit to everything, and a game that just drags out forever you tend to drop after a while, but seeing as portal is quite clearly divided into levels, I don't see the problem with adding more of them. All else being equal.

Edit: And regarding episodic content, with the level structure you could just stop playing for a while and pick it up after roughly the period you would have between two releases. Best of two worlds!
 

BiG D

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But again, a large part of Portal's brilliance was how focused it was. The addition of more for the sake of more would simply hurt that. All of the rooms had a very specific purpose in either a gameplay or narrative sense. If you think it should've been twice as long, why not just play through it again?
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
I think it needs to be longer to properly show off and to test your understanding of the various physics elements that are now in game. I dont think a 45 minute / 1 hour game can properly show off all it can.
 
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Gombol

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Portal was closer to four hours long... So yeah you're probably right?

Wait. What? Including the advanced puzzles MAYBE (Possibly pushing it.) but the acual game is about 30+ mins long..
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
Portal takes about 30 mins to do the first act, and then about 20 more to do the second act. I'm not including the extra test chamber things, e.g. "least steps" "least portals" "least time" as being part of the game, as theyre just the same levels as you find in game, rather than new gameplay.
 

Zooggy

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Hoy, :)

Portal takes about 30 mins to do the first act, and then about 20 more to do the second act.

Wait, what? It took me almost four hours to play through the whole thing... :eek:

Makes me wonder if you actually did finish the whole of the game...

You do know the cake is not a lie, right? :D

Cheers,
J.
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
You play through the 19 levels and get dipped in a fire..... right? :p ;-)

I'm talking about the replay length. e.g. when you spend the time doing stuff, rather than admiring the scenery going "..... buh? confused". The replay length is the length that I consider a game to be, mainly because you only play a game at the "i dont know whats going on" length, once. I'll play it at the replay length a lot more times, and thats what I consider to be more accurate on the length of a game.

e.g. if you have one game that takes like 10 hours to play through the first time around, but after youve sussed it out, it only takes half an hour to complete, I wouldn't say its a 10 hour game.

* - unless someones willing to go find one of the MIB deneuralizers so i can forget how to play portal and re-learn it :p
 

BiG D

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That is absolutely silly. Why would you write off the experience of playing a game the first time? Are you saying reviewers should play a game twice, and only give their opinion of the second playthrough???
 
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Gombol

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30+ minutes. A tad ambiguous there, Gombol. Care to be a bit more specific?

Took me under 40 mins to do it when i had it on the Lolbox.

Portal takes about 30 mins to do the first act, and then about 20 more to do the second act. I'm not including the extra test chamber things, e.g. "least steps" "least portals" "least time" as being part of the game, as theyre just the same levels as you find in game, rather than new gameplay.

So was i.

I'm talking about the replay length. e.g. when you spend the time doing stuff, rather than admiring the scenery going "..... buh? confused".

So was i. :p I even looked at the Scenery.
 

Wol

In Cryo Sleep
That is absolutely silly. Why would you write off the experience of playing a game the first time? Are you saying reviewers should play a game twice, and only give their opinion of the second playthrough???

Were not talking about reviews or experience. We're talking about game length.

Slow learners will have a longer first game length compared to fast learners if it takes them longer to pick up certain concepts.

Once theyve both learnt how portal works, and the mechanisms used, during replay, the game lengths will converge to be a similar time, which I feel more accurately represents the length of the game.
 

BiG D

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Wol, regardless, that is not how everyone else judges the length of a game. It's an extremely silly metric as it ignores the most important playthrough.
 

Nanor

Well-Known Member
But that's like getting a steak dinner, putting it in a blender and drinking it as a fine paste!
 
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